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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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thanks ,i suppose i will have to go down that route,didnt want to but i just cant let them win even if it costs me money they are obviously in the wrong and ripping people off and keeping there money,how do i go about taking them to court

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Follow the protocol by sending him a demand for a refund and if that is not fulfilled or a good reason why, then send a Letter Before Action again laying out why you want a refund and end the letter 'no further correspondence will be entered into'.

 

Send them by recorded delivery.

 

You then lodge your claim on line https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome It will cost you about £35 which you add to your claim against him.

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Then it is time to go forward. Because of lot of court threats are made and then not gone ahead with, many companies will call the bluff of those who make a threat to see if you will actually go ahead with it.

 

You must now go and have a read of the MCOL website and start your claim. In many many cases, claims are settled out of court so they don't have to go through with it. If that should happen in your case, don't forget to add the court fee to you claim.

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I agree with Conniff on this matter

 

Many companies just don't think customers will sue so they behave as they see fit, not what is lawful.

 

Once court papers hit their mat, I bet they capitulate.

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I agree with Conniff on this matter

 

Many companies just don't think customers will sue so they behave as they see fit, not what is lawful.

 

Once court papers hit their mat, I bet they capitulate.

Thanks i will be going on with it. The only thing that worries me is when i actually got to speak to a receptionist a few days ago i said "is this legal taking money off people and not giving refunds when the company is in the wrong" she replied "yes it is all legal" and she did sound very confident but i am going to try

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So you spoke to a receptionist at Shiply?

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yes i managed to get a contact number through paypal and spoke to someone,not that it did me any good

 

They will say anything. It is not legal nor is it lawful. they are holding on to your money for a service they didn't provide.

 

If you went to a shop, paid a deposit on a sofa and they could not supply it, you get a refund. This applies to Shiply too.

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I can't lend my support to your action nor say ah well, you will know next time. It's only someone in your position that can stand up to them and put an end to their unlawful practice by following up all the way to the courts.

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i now feel very hard done by and a bit foolish,

 

as you all know shiply would not return my deposit of £40 when their driver failed to do my job,

 

they credited it to my shiply account to be used on another job ,

 

i recently needed to collect some range rover steps,

 

i thought might aswell use the money shiply are holing of mine

 

a guy says he will collect them for £36.00 which incidently was already£11 more expensive than citylink

 

but i thought might aswell get him to do it as a way of getting my money back,

 

low and behold they wouldnt let me pay with the money they're holding of mine,

 

only the £12.00 deposit could be used ,

 

thanks again shiply RIP OFF

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i now feel very hard done by and a bit foolish,

as you all know shiply would not return my deposit of £40 when their driver failed to do my job,

they credited it to my shiply account to be used on another job ,

i recently needed to collect some range rover steps,

i thought might aswell use the money shiply are holing of mine

a guy says he will collect them for £36.00 which incidently was already£11 more expensive than citylink

but i thought might aswell get him to do it as a way of getting my money back,

low and behold they wouldnt let me pay with the money they're holding of mine

only the £12.00 deposit could be used ,

thanks again shiply RIP OFF

 

Are you surprised?.

 

Why would you even consider using them after your previous experience with them?.

 

If you decided you didn't want to take the court action you were advised was the likely way forward

and that you initially seemed keen on, you won't be seeing your money from them,

so why give them any further opportunity to part you from your 'hard earned'?.

 

Once bitten, twice shy?.

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ermmmmm why didn't anyone mention a PayPal dispute? They will freeze the money in their account, and then THEY will have to prove they provided you the service you paid for. If they cannot provide any agreement, tracking number etc, then PayPal will give you your money back.

 

Seriously no one said this? Unless there is a tracking number given, then PayPal will 95% of the time end the dispute in your favor!

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Have used Shiply since it first started, had a nightmare recently with a company with absolutely no comms. Had to relist delivery! Need a refund for first agreement as delivery company were deadbeat! Ended up agreeing through Shiply with someone else who has collected and delivered for me before - here is my mail to shiply (BTW HAVE SPENT AN HOUR QUEUEING ON SHIPLY PHONE NUMBER OVER 2 DAYS AND NOT GOT THROUGH TO ANYONE

 

Hi,

 

On sunday I put up a delivery on your site, I had several quotes and then accepted on on basis that the collection would be Wednesday or Thursday. By Wednesday despite calling emailing and trying other numbers no one had contacted me. When I spoke to someone, she said I was not on the list for yesterday or today. She called the driver and he had no knowledge of the job.

 

I tried to call you at Shiply, but waited 35 mins and was in a queue.Then I tried again this morning and queued for about 10 mins and had to go to work.

 

I then got an email from the collection agent saying he would collect. I said the seller did not know he had to be in and why hadn't they returned any calls emails and the reception girl said she had no knowledge of collection and nor did driver who she called.

 

I need to cancel this job asap as I have found someone else I used before who emailed me when i put the job up on shiply again. The rogue person who did not confirm or get back to me was TFlogist1 (1571) I need a refund as someone else has now collected via shiply.

 

Thank - you

 

sarah

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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