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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Purely because if the truth be known, they have no way of knowing who is watching live broadcasts and who isn't, they have no detection equipment be it hand held or in one of their fictional detector vans.

Oh dear, not the old 'TVdetection is a myth' conspiracy theory? There's no secret to the science involved in detecting a local oscillator at work, even if it's not relied on as much as it used to be.

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The TVL is solely for the purpose of funding the BBC, not commercial TV. So called popularity does not constitute quality, if you think watching chefs skate on ice or filming a man doing his job of work is decent out put then we must agree to disagree, it is the lowest common denominator, cheap TV. What commercial channels do is their business, no one pays for them, they live or die by advertising. The BBC is funded by a tax , therefore has a duty to provide , or at least attempt to provide a programming schedule that should seek to set standards, inform , educate as well as entertain. It clearly lost its way a long time ago. I am not getting into an argument with you or bothering to reply again, a thoroughly rotten & morally bankrupt organisation that should have its funding re modelled or be put out to grass.

 

Why judge a broadcaster on the lowest standard of its output? You might as well condemn ITV and Channel 4 solely on the basis of dross like 'I'm a Celebrity' and 'Big brother'. Clearly if all you know about the BBC is the stuff you think is beneath you, then obviously you don't watch BBC2, BBC4, or indeed BBC1 outside of a few peak hours programmes, so aren't in a position to make such a judgement.

 

We also most certainly do pay for the commercial channels, since their funding is ultimately composed of a percentage of the prices that we pay for the goods/services that they advertise.

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All they have is a list of addresses in the UK that tells them who has a licence, and who doesn't, if you needed a licence then you would be made to purchase one at the point of sale of a TV.

 

H i bazooka. How would that work? Many people have more than 1 T.V. in their homes which are bought at different times. Plus if people pay with cash how would they know if the address given was correct or even existed. People might be giving wrong addresses now if they pay cash. Can you imagine the queues at PC Curry World if they had to provide multiple forms of ID and proof of address.

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Nothing in my post you have quoted was insulting or personal. Might i suggest you edit your reply & stop being insulting or i will report the post to the moderators. No one minds a discussion with differing opinions but i won`t allow you to be rude & drag the topic down for people who want advice. I can see you are on the topic as i type, i would appreciate you amending the post ASAP . Thank you.

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they have no detection equipment be it hand held or in one of their fictional detector vans.

 

I am a bit out of the loop nowadays but back in the day then 'detector vans' certainly existed and worked, they used DF techniques and locked onto the IF Oscillator which is a transmitter.

Now the new digital systems may be different but I think they still use ID oscillators so they can detect if the progam beilg watched is being received by the Aerial or via the Internet ( no RF/IF for the internet).

 

Then of course I could go into the whole 'Tempest' scene.

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Oh dear, not the old 'TVdetection is a myth' conspiracy theory? There's no secret to the science involved in detecting a local oscillator at work, even if it's not relied on as much as it used to be.

 

Not relied upon at all - in the sense that the evidence has never been used in Court.

 

The other fact we know (that the BBC went all the way to the ICO to avoid disclosing how many detectors there are in use) makes it very likely that the number is very small, or zero. There can be no other explanation.

 

TVL simply knocks on doors - that is what it does 3 million+ times a year. The wise occupant does not acknowledge them, does not speak to them.

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I have to admit that when I read on their website that they wont disclose about the equipment etc it kinda made me think that too.

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I have to admit that when I read on their website that they wont disclose about the equipment etc it kinda made me think that too.

 

In truth, they probably don't need it. As long as there is a (metaphorical) queue of 400,000 people, all waiting to cleanse their souls and confess to the men & women with clipboards, why would they risk getting their expensive detectors dirty - that unicorn dung can be a pain to get out, too. :wink:

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Plus I really can't be wasting my time arguing why or why not you need a licence.

 

I know what I know, and I have all the information I need to make an informed decision not to buy a TV licence, if others feel obliged to do so, then that is entirely your their decision.

 

Once again this emotive subject has deteriorated into a 'my dads bigger than your dad' argument. I am happy to impart what knowledge I have on this issue, having researched it for a number of years, what you choose to do with that information is again entirely up to you.

 

Instead of picking holes and splitting hairs in other peoples advice, why not do a bit of research first, before repeating the mantra we have all been fed over the years?

 

For that reason "I'm out".

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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The other fact we know (that the BBC went all the way to the ICO to avoid disclosing how many detectors there are in use) makes it very likely that the number is very small, or zero. There can be no other explanation.

 

There are exactly ZERO!

The BBC has a fleet of 16 vans on lease from a company, but these 'vans' are simply minibuses...

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Nothing in my post you have quoted was insulting or personal. Might i suggest you edit your reply & stop being insulting or i will report the post to the moderators. No one minds a discussion with differing opinions but i won`t allow you to be rude & drag the topic down for people who want advice. I can see you are on the topic as i type, i would appreciate you amending the post ASAP . Thank you.

 

So you offering your skewed opinion of the BBC did not 'drag the topic down for people who want advice' in the first place? If you think that pointing out the logical flaws in what you claimed constitutes an 'insult', then that says more about you than me.

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Plus I really can't be wasting my time arguing why or why not you need a licence.

 

I know what I know, and I have all the information I need to make an informed decision not to buy a TV licence, if others feel obliged to do so, then that is entirely your their decision.

 

Once again this emotive subject has deteriorated into a 'my dads bigger than your dad' argument. I am happy to impart what knowledge I have on this issue, having researched it for a number of years, what you choose to do with that information is again entirely up to you.

 

Instead of picking holes and splitting hairs in other peoples advice, why not do a bit of research first, before repeating the mantra we have all been fed over the years?

 

For that reason "I'm out".

 

The problem with this debate is that there are basically three groups of people, the first being those who recognise that they require a TV licence and so have one, and the second those who genuinely don't need one. I have every sympathy for the latter if they get improperly hassled by TVL, and which happily advice them on how they should deal with them (including before the fact). Unfortunately there is a third group of people who should have a licence, but don't, and seem to revel in both poisoning the debate, and counter-productively 'advising' those in that second group to behave in a way that is guaranteed to wind TVL up.

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T YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE TV LICENCE AND iPLAYER

WHO NEEDS A TV LICENCE?

Anyone watching or recording TV programmes on any channel as they are being broadcast. Whatever device you use to watch programmes – a TV set, computer, laptop or mobile phone – you must pay the £145.50 licence fee. Over-75s are entitled to a free licence. Anyone without a valid licence risks prosecution and a fine of up to £1,000.

WHAT CAN YOU WATCH WITHOUT ONE?

Programmes on the iPlayer, the BBC’s catch-up service, provided you view them after they have been broadcast. Those using the iPlayer’s Watch Live function, which broadcasts eight channels at virtually the same time as on TV, will need a licence.

HOW MANY ARE VIEWING ONLINE TO DOGE LICENCE FEE?

The BBC won’t reveal how much revenue it is losing because people watch online but it is likely to be well into the millions. Three per cent of people don’t pay a licence fee, equal to a million households, but it’s unclear how many of them are using iPlayer.

HOW CAN BBC TELL WHO WATCHES LIVE OR CATCH-TV?

It can't. It relies on honesty. Anyone not paying a licence fee has to submit a declaration that they are not watching or recording live broadcasts. Licence enforcers can make house visits to check and if your explanation is accepted, they put your account on ‘hold’ for two years, before investigating again.

COULD NON-FEE PAYERS BE CHARGED FOR iPLAYER?

Possibly, but it would be complicated. The BBC could introduce a system similar to Sky, under which customers cannot watch any programmes on TV sets, laptops, or mobile devices without an ID code. However, this would involve an enormous amount of bureaucracy. Equally, the BBC could not charge all viewers to watch iPlayer, because existing licence holders would end up paying twice for the same service.

HOW MUCH IS LIVE ON iPLAYER

The only ‘live’ programmes on iPlayer are the eight BBC channels screened on the Watch Live section, for which you still need a licence. Most other programmes are available on catch-up.

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I know what I know,.

 

And I don't need anybody telling me the truth.

 

Nevertheless you appear to be advocating Civil Disobedience and I do not think that is in line with the CAG philosophy.

 

You (and others) complain when DCAs bend / break the rules but you seem happy to flout the law.

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So you offering your skewed opinion of the BBC did not 'drag the topic down for people who want advice' in the first place? If you think that pointing out the logical flaws in what you claimed constitutes an 'insult', then that says more about you than me.

 

Telling members that they are " gobbing off" is an insult, it is the insult that i was referring too as i suspect you know full well, anyway that has been dealt with , again, as i`m sure your aware. My view of the BBC / TVL is far from skewed, i know the law regarding the need for a licence, i will offer factual lawful advice regarding its necessity, i will however conduct my self with civility & manners to other members whilst doing so.

 

To paraphrase the Bond Villian, Goldfinger

Choose your next witticism carefully Mr. Staraker, it may be your last.:wink: [ A Joke BTW ]

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Telling members that they are " gobbing off" is an insult, it is the insult that i was referring too as i suspect you know full well, anyway that has been dealt with , again, as i`m sure your aware.

 

Oh, where I come from, it wouldn't even register as a mild dig amongst friends....

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Oh, where I come from, it wouldn't even register as a mild dig amongst friends....

 

But where you come from & how you choose to interact with your friends is not of any interest to the site or its members. There are certain codes of conduct & a required standard of how one interacts with fellow members, people come here for advice, some in vunerable & fragile states of mind , some extremley anxious or scared of not knowing their legal rights. To be civil is one way of reassuring them & not upsetting them further.

Civility & manners cost nothing & are definitely the barometer of the man. Now, are we done , or do you just want the last word?, if so, be my guest.......

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The licence if paid for monthly pays part of the year in advance I think so if payments are stopped after the 1st 6 months then the licence is recinded.

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Oh, where I come from, it wouldn't even register as a mild dig amongst friends....

 

TBH, I wouldn't care for that kind of language even if I was your friend. It might well be "mild" in the grand scheme of things, but the way in which it was delivered ensures that it could be insulting.

 

I for one would be much more comfortable if you could keep that type of comment for your "friends" and off the forum.

 

As snowy has pointed out - we do expect CAG members to consider others when posting.

 

There is something in the air today on CAGlink31.gif methinks

 

Yes, and I wish it would go away :lol:

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But where you come from & how you choose to interact with your friends is not of any interest to the site or its members. There are certain codes of conduct & a required standard of how one interacts with fellow members, people come here for advice, some in vunerable & fragile states of mind , some extremley anxious or scared of not knowing their legal rights. To be civil is one way of reassuring them & not upsetting them further.

Civility & manners cost nothing & are definitely the barometer of the man. Now, are we done , or do you just want the last word?, if so, be my guest.......

 

No, I get the point that there is a double-standard at play, in which you get to aggresively refer to the BBC as, 'a thoroughly rotten & morally bankrupt organisation,' and 'no one would pay for their rubbish out put masquerading as programming,' with apparent impunity. Neither the BBC nor the commercial broadcasters can be everything to all people, but to suggest that any of them is nothing to everyone just because you think so is pretty insulting to those who don't share that highly polarised view.

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