Mr. Osborne's next sick move.

[postggj]

you seem to be ignoring my posts of cold hard facts ifhthsbdw

 

come on, don't be shy

[Crazy Diamond]

Wow, amazing hyperbole. Did Osborne actually say that, or is it a figment of your imagination? The truth is that Philpott is a killer and that he lived on welfare payments. Or do you disagree?

 

He also used to be a soldier............... Does it make ex-soldiers more likely to kill their children?

And he's a, I don't know, white man... Does it make white men more likely to kill their children?

A Northerner................................ Does it make Northerners more likely to kill their children?

He has a moustache........................ Does it make moustachioed people more likely to kill their children?

 

Antone might have used a hyperbole, but you seem to be quite happy to use sophisms!

[Crazy Diamond]

Do you know anything about the man and his struggles? Any ideas as to how he made a living when he left the Army? I suggest you do a little research and maybe then you will understand. He's one of the very few in either the government or opposition front benches who knows what life is really like.

 

Oh yes, there was a cracking tearjerker of a set piece, yesterday I believe, was it in the Express or the Mail? where he made an even complete fool of himself, by trying to tell a sycophantic journo a tearjerker of a story on his struggles. Sounded like it had be written by the same agency that produces the Hovis ads, and was about as credible.

 

Even the usual readership of the paper, normally gullible beyond description, were taking the pee out of him, it was that ridiculous.

 

 

Edit: Here is the article if anyone has a stomach strong enough:

 

IDS - Mein Kampf

Edited April 7, 2013 by Crazy Diamond
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[postggj]

He failed to mention his father in law has a two million pound Tudor farm house in Buckingham that he lives on rent free, That is besides his second home a £300,000 constituency mansion in chingford essex

 

Most of the money from the sale of their Fulham home, after they moved in with their in-laws, was spent on their children’s private education. Their eldest son went to a state primary school and won a scholarship to Eton.

 

A recurring pattern emerges here of a lying, underhand man (hardly a credit to his regiment) who persistently free loads, initially from his girlfriend and then, when she becomes his wife, from her family. how disgraceful that in the course of their life together he has never supported his wife and children by providing them with a roof over their heads but consistently offloaded this responsibility onto others, all the while insisting he has never received any money from his wife's family. what utter hypocrisy.

 

A real poor boy with no family support living off of bread and dripping in a single room bedsit, excuse me while i go and puke

Edited April 7, 2013 by squaddie

[antone]

Wow, amazing hyperbole. Did Osborne actually say that, or is it a figment of your imagination? The truth is that Philpott is a killer and that he lived on welfare payments. Or do you disagree?

 

Good grief. Of course Osborne didn't say that. Of course I was using hyperbole. Did you think I was keeping it a secret? I could hyperbolise for Scotland.

 

Are you following along? Right, let's start.

 

Mick Philpott killed his kids. He was on benefits. Can we draw any general conclusions about benefit claimants based on the fact that a lunatic killed his kids?

[antone]

He also used to be a soldier............... Does it make ex-soldiers more likely to kill their children?

And he's a, I don't know, white man... Does it make white men more likely to kill their children?

A Northerner................................ Does it make Northerners more likely to kill their children?

He has a moustache........................ Does it make moustachioed people more likely to kill their children?

 

 

Antone might have used a hyperbole, but you seem to be quite happy to use sophisms!

 

 

We're apparently into "Hitler was a vegetarian" territory now. And I apologise for the Godwinisation, but it seems justified.

[Crazy Diamond]

We're apparently into "Hitler was a vegetarian" territory now. And I apologise for the Godwinisation, but it seems justified.

 

Yep, indeedy, I had forgotten that one.

 

Interesting point about Godwin's Law, actually, which we've been debating on disability boards etc, what's your opinion?

 

Godwin's Law supposedly invalidates an argument, right?

But what happens when the argument is on how this government's policies are in direct parallel to the Nazi ones? When the rhetoric used is the same one Hitler used to hammer whole slices of the population? When it is in fact no longer a hyperbole, but a stark reminder that history is being repeated, and ignored by so many until it may be to late?

 

I say it is perfectly legitimate to use the Nazi analogy now because it's no longer an analogy, but a direct comparison.

 

What do you think?

[estellyn]

Yep, indeedy, I had forgotten that one.

 

Interesting point about Godwin's Law, actually, which we've been debating on disability boards etc, what's your opinion?

 

Godwin's Law supposedly invalidates an argument, right?

But what happens when the argument is on how this government's policies are in direct parallel to the Nazi ones? When the rhetoric used is the same one Hitler used to hammer whole slices of the population? When it is in fact no longer a hyperbole, but a stark reminder that history is being repeated, and ignored by so many until it may be to late?

 

I say it is perfectly legitimate to use the Nazi analogy now because it's no longer an analogy, but a direct comparison.

 

What do you think?

 

Feels more like Animal Farm to me.....

[Crazy Diamond]

Feels more like Animal Farm to me.....

 

 

I would laugh if it didn't feel true...

[osdset]

Do you know anything about the man and his struggles?

 

Err yes, it's in the Mail article.

 

Any ideas as to how he made a living when he left the Army?

 

Ho hum, yes it's in the Mail article.

 

I suggest you do a little research and maybe then you will understand.

 

I don't need to, it's all in the Mail article.

 

I'm sure IDS will take solace in the knowledge that apart from the ever doting Betsy he has , hang on let me think...........one supporter, as opposed to the 458.866 (as of 04:47 08/04/13) who have signed the petition.

 

A handy link to the petition, to assist you in your research. https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week

Edited April 8, 2013 by osdset

[san_d]

What's the point of this thread, now that Lie-bor has outrighted the right on welfare issues?

[Crazy Diamond]

What's the point of this thread, now that Lie-bor has outrighted the right on welfare issues?

 

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[citizenB]

Oh yes, there was a cracking tearjerker of a set piece, yesterday I believe, was it in the Express or the Mail? where he made an even complete fool of himself, by trying to tell a sycophantic journo a tearjerker of a story on his struggles. Sounded like it had be written by the same agency that produces the Hovis ads, and was about as credible.

 

Even the usual readership of the paper, normally gullible beyond description, were taking the pee out of him, it was that ridiculous.

 

 

Edit: Here is the article if anyone has a stomach strong enough:

 

IDS - Mein Kampf

 

Err yes, it's in the Mail article.

 

Ho hum, yes it's in the Mail article.

 

I don't need to, it's all in the Mail article.

 

I'm sure IDS will take solace in the knowledge that apart from the ever doting Betsy he has , hang on let me think...........one supporter, as opposed to the 458.866 (as of 04:47 08/04/13) who have signed the petition.

 

A handy link to the petition, to assist you in your research. https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week

 

 

Hacker: Don't tell me about the press, I know exactly who reads the papers: the Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; the Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; the Times is read by people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and the The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

 

Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?

Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

 

 

 

hmm, I wonder why they don't mention the Express in that script ?

[postggj]

Goodwins Law was mentioned earlier and i would just like to do a comparable on today with Facts

 

Being disabled is expensive to the state, would it not be a kindness if we did not have so many claiming state aid.

 

we have terrorists out there with hooked noses, born of a culture alien to our own with cray rules about bacon and beards, they are rich and have more money than us and are slowly buying our country from beneath us. They have infiltrated the biggest media organisations to spread their lies. they are enemies of reason and our way of life. The media need stricter controls and be shut down. We will bring stricter controls on media reporting their ideas of the news that the government is split, and that its ministers cant be trusted.

 

We need to make the public trust and believe us again

 

WHO DO YOU THINK SAID THAT, HAGUE, SMITH, NO IT WAS ADOLF HITLER WHEN HE ROSE TO POWER IN 1929.

 

Notice the similarities in the rhetoric we are being subjected to today

 

He argued the disabled placed a burden on the healthy, he led a coalition government from 1933, he used a fire in the German parliament to blame his enemies (sound familiar 911) he abolished Human Rights (who is now trying to withdraw from the human rights act)

abolished Habeas corpus (detention without trial/control orders), Freedom of speech (Section 5 Public Order Act and Section 50 Police Reform Act) Clamping down on the right to protest

 

Is it not ironic that eighty years later, the very countries and people that fought against this ideology, WE ARE NOW DOING THE SAME IN THIS COUNTRY

 

Like Germany in the 1920s, we had a boom which was built on debt, half of Europe is broke as a result, there are protests all over Europe (never reported in the UK media) everyone getting poorer, a tax system in a mess, AND WE ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO HATE (Benefit scrounger ,Shirkers v Strivers)

 

Germans were told to hate the Jews because they controlled all the money. In Britain we are told to hate the bankers and rich Arabs. We are told the disabled are putting it on, the poor are dragging us down to join them. OUR ONLY HOPE IS TO BLAME, HATE, AND TURN AWAY FROM OTHERS.

 

“Truth is the greatest enemy of the state” (Goebbels)

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

 

How true the above from constant negative spin daily from government ministers, and with sections of the media daily ramming down our throat scroungers, benefit fraudsters, immigration, all orchestrated by media barons with their own political agenda

 

 

I FOR ONE AM NOT A SHEEP, AND WILL OPPOSE THIS POLITICAL DOGMA AND RAISE AWARENESS THROUGH ALL FORMS OF SOCIAL MEDIA, I WILL NOT BE SILENCED

[Crazy Diamond]

Bl**dy well said, that man.

[45002]

Just to remind everyone,it was Maggie and the Tory party in the 80/90s that caused the current problem with benefit reform.....

 

Encouraging people on unemployment benefit to claim Invalidity benefit and get the unemployment figures down,which never worked !

 

Changing mobility allowance to DLA self assessment,which lead to the abuse of the system

 

So yes Maggie and the Tory party have a lot to answer for ....

Edited April 8, 2013 by 45002

[ifhthsbdw]

Oh yes, there was a cracking tearjerker of a set piece, yesterday I believe, was it in the Express or the Mail? where he made an even complete fool of himself, by trying to tell a sycophantic journo a tearjerker of a story on his struggles. Sounded like it had be written by the same agency that produces the Hovis ads, and was about as credible.

 

Even the usual readership of the paper, normally gullible beyond description, were taking the pee out of him, it was that ridiculous.

 

 

Edit: Here is the article if anyone has a stomach strong enough:

 

IDS - Mein Kampf

 

I don't much like the Daily Mail. Duncan Smith has been in the public eye for ages, so there have been plenty of articles about him over the years. What I did read yesterday was this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith?INTCMP=SRCH

[ifhthsbdw]

Can we draw any general conclusions about benefit claimants based on the fact that a lunatic killed his kids?

 

No. We shouldn't.

 

Should we ask questions about a man who has 17 kids but has no intention of working whatsoever? Yes.

[postggj]

so why were two government ministers on TV talking about the phillpotts crime, then all of a sudden condemning there life style

 

why were two government ministers even talking to the press on the phillpott crimes, let alone them being on benefits

[ifhthsbdw]

so why were two government ministers on TV talking about the phillpotts crime, then all of a sudden condemning there life style

 

why were two government ministers even talking to the press on the phillpott crimes, let alone them being on benefits

 

You need to ask them that.

[postggj]

no i am asking you on your opinion, that's what this whole argument is about

 

do you agree on there comments or do you not think it was ill advised making such comments for party political reasons, or a cheap shot about keeping welfare in the news

[ifhthsbdw]

no i am asking you on your opinion, that's what this whole argument is about

 

do you agree on there comments or do you not think it was ill advised making such comments for party political reasons, or a cheap shot about keeping welfare in the news

 

That's not what you asked. However, if you ask for my opinion, then they are entitled to talk about anything they want. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with questioning Philpott's right to live a life on welfare with no intention of working. I can't see what the fuss is about to be honest.

[postggj]

so you think the phillpot crimes justified it to being such a pressing matter of state, that two government ministers had to comment on it on live TV when it was a judicial matter, not a government issue

 

is that what you are saying

[ifhthsbdw]

so you think the phillpot crimes justified it to being such a pressing matter of state, that two government ministers had to comment on it on live TV when it was a judicial matter, not a government issue

 

is that what you are saying

 

No, that's not what I'm saying. Government Ministers make all kinds of statements on all kinds of things all of the time - very often unconnected to the thing that they are really there to talk about. Why they chose to talk about this, I haven't a clue, but it doesn't bother me.

[postggj]

Thanks for your honesty

 

But i think people can draw there own conclusions on this cynical attempt at negative propaganda from Osbourne and Cameron