renderexterior wallcoatings ltd / MR HARVIL SHAW

[loucruz]

Looks like a lot of these branded wall coating companies operate in the same way ie they sub contract to crews/subbies The subbies probably work for lots of different companies.

That's the part that is most misleading and it's not just Harrison/Harvil that is operating in this way.

These are not real companies with employed staff that they can easily send to fix faults.

There are a lot of very good companies in the business as well, the old rule is the best rule not only for wall coating companies but all building companies, 1/ Get at least 3 quotes, 2/ Get 3 jobs to look at, 3/ Check out the company through company house. ( that will tell you how long the company has been trading ) 4 / Check that they are VAT registered ( if not don't touch them as they are to small to handle this type of work giving a 15 year guarantee ) If a company has been in business for say 5 years and is offering a 15 year guarantee on its work, then ask to see a job 5 years old, any genuine company will be happy to do that. People like Harvil / Harrison give this business a bad name because the law allows people like him to set up new companies and dissolve them within a year and then set up again. I have been in the exterior wall coating business for over 30 years and have seen it all BAD JOBS and very GOOD JOBS, its all down to the way the company is run, the tradesman applying the product, and the product itself. PREPARATION IS KING!!

Edited April 25, 2015 by loucruz

[bsms5404]

Hi guys,

I'm currently getting work done with EWI rendering systems as we speak and dealing with Harrison. So far we've paid the deposit and having no major issues with the work although there is a few problems need addressing before they start rendering. any advice on what course of action I should do to avoid there being any issues later. As I say, so far nothing major is going wrong so don't want to jump the gun yet.

 

any advice would be much appreciated

[BankFodder]

Check the insurance.

Check the documents and double check by calling the insurer.

[bsms5404]

Many thanks,

Also if I'm not happy with the work......where do I stand on not releasing the remaining balance until the work is finished to the right standard? legally?

[treg]

He did come round personally to do the sign off with us. Make sure that happens at least so you can raise any concerns you may have.

[stu007]

Hi bsms5404

 

Could you take a look at the photo in the earlier post

 

do you recognize him?

[bsms5404]

Yes that's Harrison

[stu007]

Please please do as Bankfodder has recommended

 

Check your Insurance detail very carefully even call the insurer to confirm the details are 100% accurate correct.

 

Check every Document you have been given very carefully.

[loucruz]

EWI RENDERING SYSTEMS LTD is a non trading company. Is this the company that you had do the work

Hi guys,

I'm currently getting work done with EWI rendering systems as we speak and dealing with Harrison. So far we've paid the deposit and having no major issues with the work although there is a few problems need addressing before they start rendering. any advice on what course of action I should do to avoid there being any issues later. As I say, so far nothing major is going wrong so don't want to jump the gun yet.

 

any advice would be much appreciated

[treg]

Protective rendering systems are definitely delivering gdgc backed insurance now. We had to wait a while though.

[BankFodder]

Protective rendering systems are definitely delivering gdgc backed insurance now. We had to wait a while though.

 

That's very good to know.

We still recommend that everyone checks out the insurance for themselves before commissioning any work.

[grummpy]

:mad2:Re: Abraham Jackson

 

I also hired Protective Rendering Solutions (Abraham Jackson) to render my home.

 

Work went on for months

,when it was finished there was damage to our windows & doors where the render had ran because they applied it in wet weather.

 

They then scraped & hacked to remove the silicon leaving gouges in hard wood doors & scratches on pvc windows

 

. Abraham agreed to pay for remedial work & trades were appointed

 

, I can't get hold of him so the cost will fall on me to pay them.

 

I have just contacted our credit card company to see if they can get us our money back

 

. Sadley it's people like this that give trades a bad name

 

,we aren't talking hundreds of pounds but thousands, have these people no shame.

 

 

Please Please steer clear of this man & his company.

 

Can anyone give me advise on what to do next,

will my credit card get me a full refund

, do I pay the painter & cleaners who tidied the job up???.

Can't believe how gullible I've been.

[dx100uk]

If you paid anything by credit card then they are equally liable

Under section 75

Dx

[treg]

:mad2:Re: Abraham Jackson

 

I also hired Protective Rendering Solutions (Abraham Jackson) to render my home.

 

Work went on for months

,when it was finished there was damage to our windows & doors where the render had ran because they applied it in wet weather.

 

They then scraped & hacked to remove the silicon leaving gouges in hard wood doors & scratches on pvc windows

 

. Abraham agreed to pay for remedial work & trades were appointed

 

, I can't get hold of him so the cost will fall on me to pay them.

 

I have just contacted our credit card company to see if they can get us our money back

 

. Sadley it's people like this that give trades a bad name

 

,we aren't talking hundreds of pounds but thousands, have these people no shame.

 

 

Please Please steer clear of this man & his company.

 

Can anyone give me advise on what to do next,

will my credit card get me a full refund

, do I pay the painter & cleaners who tidied the job up???.

Can't believe how gullible I've been.

 

Would this have been covered under buildings insurance ? I think you have to notify your insurer that you are having work done.

[treg]

Harvil Shaw was sent to prison for 2 years in July for fraud and consumer protection offences. I can't post the link because I am under 10 posts.

 

He was investigated by Worcestershire Regulatory Services.

[silverfox1961]

http://www.worcsregservices.gov.uk/news/2015/guilty-conman-jailed-for-two-years.aspx

 

 

 

 

Harvil Alfonzo Shaw, 53, of Far Leys in Southwell, Nottinghamshire, appeared at Worcester Crown Court on July 1 where he pleaded guilty to fraud and consumer protection offences.

 

The court heard that Mr Shaw, who had a long track record of failing companies, ran a series of businesses offering wall-rendering services.

 

 

Hiding behind a series of slick websites, a convincing manner and a false name he gained business by offering insurance backed guarantees he could not honour and claiming membership of organisations such as the Green Deal to which he did not belong. He failed to give cancellation rights required by law and hid behind limited companies run by him but fronted by friends and a pseudonym ‘Abraham Jackson’.

 

 

Edited September 15, 2015 by citizenB

[citizenB]

In summing up the judge referred to Mr Shaw as a common criminal, a conman who had caused loss to decent trusting people. These losses were described as not only financial but also the anxiety and stress caused to victims.

 

 

 

Costs of £8,824 were sought and the judge ordered a contribution of costs of £5,000 payable by 4pm on the 8th January 2016.

 

Presumably those people who were deceived will not be getting their money back !

[treg]

Protective Rendering Systems appear to be trading still. I checked my insurance backing and it is genuine although the company has now been struck off by GDGC for non compliance.

[BankFodder]

So long as you are insured, then you have little to worry about.

 

Harvil Shaw is a dishonest man who should have been sorted out a long time ago. His dishonesty touched everyone he dealt with and he even invoked the name of his own son as a director in one of his failed companies.

 

We tried many times to involve the police but they wouldn't listen to us as we were not personally the victims. That is another story of course, but Harvil Shaw could have been arrested and imprisoned a long time ago if the authorities had been more willing to listen.

[grummpy]

Harvil Shaw was sent to prison for 2 years in July for fraud and consumer protection offences. I can't post the link because I am under 10 posts.

 

He was investigated by Worcestershire Regulatory Services.

Does anyone know if he's still in prison,is he still conducting business? Mr Jackson is still contacting me making promises to pay damages & correct faulty work?

[honeybee13]

Interesting, grummpy. I wonder if Trading Standards would be interested in that?

 

HB

[silverfox1961]

Hi

I would suspect that Mr Shaw is still 'doing bird' as it has only been 2 months since his incarceration. having read some stuff on prisoners, he may serve just 6 months then a further 6 months on tag then the last year of the sentence will be an 'at risk period' (whatever that means)

 

I suspect Abraham Jackson is pseudonym as I can find nothing on Companies House for that name. If Mr Jackson is a real person, I would invite him here to explain how he will be paying compensation/refunds and putting things right. In what capacity is he in relation to all the companies that Mr Shaw has started and folded (voluntarily or otherwise)

 

HAS Rendering was wound up in September 2013.

[treg]

Protective rendering systems has now ceased trading....as I said before we did actually get insurance backing but the insurance company went bust so even then there are no guarantees. We did also make a partial credit card payment. Seems like partial credit card payment for any type of building work should be a given.

[chrisy]

It would appear that they are now trading as Fisher Randall (Co Numbr 10639694) www fisherrandall com with SHAW, Micah James as the sole director. Abraham arranged for some of our house to be thermo boarded and rendered. No complaints but are looking to do the rest this has raised a concern or three...

[BankFodder]

Thank you for this information. I have posted it up in a new thread https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486937-Harvill-Shaw-Exterior-Wall-Rendering-Companies-%96-FISHER-RANDALL-LTD(36-Viewing)-nbsp&p=5117752#post5117752