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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. 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It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. 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no mine too

 

I suspect a nice little DCA sent one of those demands scanned up.

 

usual MO,

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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All seems dwp legit. Even used saynoto0870 to find landline numb. Called and Defo Gov dept.

 

Ignore or follow up for the equivalent of a dwp CCA?

 

Mistaken identity is my thought.

Really ....

 

Your soon find out when you apply for any state benefits,including state retirement pension and they start deducting the money you owe them from your week payments !

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Got this the other day.

I requested my employment details for 1993 from the NI archives.

The alleged date that this crisis loan was taken out was 23rd April 1993. I was pretty sure I was in employment on that date and I'm assuming if that's the case you cannot apply for a crisis loan?

Is this letter definitive enough?

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that's 1993 docs

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Got this the other day.

I requested my employment details for 1993 from the NI archives.

The alleged date that this crisis loan was taken out was 23rd April 1993. I was pretty sure I was in employment on that date and I'm assuming if that's the case you cannot apply for a crisis loan?

Is this letter definitive enough?

 

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that proves that you were in employment on that specific date. :/

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Welcome akinika! Feisty little buggers formerly Iqor I believe?

 

They first called Friday eve & a tart 'only in writing' soon got rid of him but then a second call came this morning!

 

Me: "You called me last night and I said only in writing"

Them: "We've sent you a letter, you may not have received it yet"?

Me: "So why are you calling after I said only in writing"? "This is now the second call, times and dates are being logged, if you call again I will raise a complaint of harassment"!

Them: "You can't do that Sir"

Me: "Oh, can't I"? "Only in writing please, do you understand"?

Them: "And when you receive the letter, you will act on it then"?

Me: "No". CLICK

 

I know I should have just hung up after 'only in writing' but I love to hear them squirm and hang themselves.

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Got this the other day.

I requested my employment details for 1993 from the NI archives.

The alleged date that this crisis loan was taken out was 23rd April 1993. I was pretty sure I was in employment on that date and I'm assuming if that's the case you cannot apply for a crisis loan?

Is this letter definitive enough?

 

Sorry, typo in earlier post. 1993 is correct.

 

Welcome akinika! Feisty little buggers formerly Iqor I believe?

 

They first called Friday eve & a tart 'only in writing' soon got rid of him but then a second call came this morning!

 

Me: "You called me last night and I said only in writing"

Them: "We've sent you a letter, you may not have received it yet"?

Me: "So why are you calling after I said only in writing"? "This is now the second call, times and dates are being logged, if you call again I will raise a complaint of harassment"!

Them: "You can't do that Sir"

Me: "Oh, can't I"? "Only in writing please, do you understand"?

Them: "And when you receive the letter, you will act on it then"?

Me: "No". CLICK

 

I know I should have just hung up after 'only in writing' but I love to hear them squirm and hang themselves.

.

 

The document you posted in #29

 

Doesn't prove anything really

 

And #33 !

Please use the quote system, So everyone will know what your referring too, thank you ...

 

 

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The document you posted in #29

 

Doesn't prove anything really

 

And #33 ?????

 

Hmmm 45002, I was labouring under the false understanding that if I could prove I was working on the date of this crazy alleged debt I could prove it was nothing to do with me.

I have since found out that at the time a 'crisis loan' could be obtained even if you were in work.

 

Not sure what you're getting at with the attachment in post #33? That the letter I got today from akinika?

 

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whichever way it turns out DO NOT EVER PAY A DCA FOR A GOV'T DEBT

 

they DO NOT and WILL NEVER OWNTHE DEBT.

 

if you owe it

the only thing that can happen is 'eventually' they take a small regular payment out of any future benefits.

 

its up to you really what you do.

 

if you do find that you did have the loan

and there is a balance outstanding

 

theres nothing to stop you paying them sooner so's benefits aren't dipped into in later life.

 

don't forget this will Never be a priority debt anyhow

 

so minimal payments once you start.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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whichever way it turns out DO NOT EVER PAY A DCA FOR A GOV'T DEBT

 

they DO NOT and WILL NEVER OWN THE DEBT.

 

dx

 

Thanks dx,

 

What tactic should I employ to remove akinika from the equation? They're defo not getting a penny!

 

TIA

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silence

 

do nothing they'll give up

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Ring or write and complain

Get a free DWP sar running

Its on their website

Make then prove their data

Ask your employer to stall or ignore if they can

As its in dispute

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This also happened to me as well,

DWP sent attachment to my employer for £235.00,

It was for a loan from 2001.

Never had any paperwork - my employer had to take deductions,

due to timescales paid in full,

wrote to the DWP as to date they have never replied

and now give up in getting my money back bunch of crooks the DWP

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This also happened to me as well, DWP sent attachment to my employer for £235.00, It was for a loan from 2001. Never had any paperwork my employer had to take deductions, due to timescales paid in full, wrote to the DWP as to date they have never replied and now give up in getting my money back bunch of crooks the DWP

 

So make the Data Protection Subject Access Request which is free with DWP and ask for written proof of the particular debt. If they can't provide it, make a formal request for a refund to DWP head office and if no joy get your local MP involved.

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'Prove it' letter (CC company payroll dept) plus SAR to DWP all ready to be sent off Monday morning.

 

Any suggestions for wording to send to payroll (I can easily email) to make sure it's stalled until resolved?

 

TIA

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Kinda broke the golden rule by giving them a call,

(In my defence they're not a DCA) just to make sure they got the letter and what they're going to do about it really.

 

Actually got through to a really helpful bloke who, after I explained the supposed reasons for said alleged Social Fund loan, (to recap, 1993, I would have been 22, single, living in a bedsit and it was for bunk-beds) he agreed that something didn't seem right.

 

We came to an arrangement that involves him forward dating to October and him sending me a bank giro bill for £44. This will put a stop on the AOE order and give them time to investigate.

 

If nothing else it's stalled for a couple of months and I'll wait and see what, if any proof DWP will provide.

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if you mean rang the DWP

no harm in that at all

 

 

sounds like you might be getting it sorted.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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if you mean rang the DWP

no harm in that at all

dx

 

Thanks DX.

 

 

I kinda think I'm delaying the inevitable though.

 

 

If they've done what they've done so far with no evidence,

(and how can there be? Being 1993 they would have destroyed records by now)

 

 

I think they will just steamroller this farce through eventually even when they can't find anything :mad2:

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so what is the bill for £44 they are sending?

 

Should they steamroller through and enforce this via a DEO then refer to post #43

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so does it prove their claim?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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