Ingeus

[G4C389]

Well, when I got a got last March I was contacted by the head office...Basically to check how i was £££££ doing, and if i was still working lol...

 

Your Advisor will probably keep a check on you. Especially when you've been in a job for nearly 6 months. They will want you to hit 6 months, so they can claim the golden ticket (£££££££££££££££££££)

 

Well that makes sense lol, sounds like them, so after 6 months they don't claim on your behalf anymore? As I said earlier in the post my advisor said she would stay I'm contact me but didnt, which I wasn bothered about as advisors have a lot if other things to worry about, I could of done with it though because I needed support but couldn't exactly ask the head office in another city ( Birmingham I think) so some weeks I was left really struggling while their getting £400+ for me,

[Bakatcha]

UNIVERSAL JOBSNATCH

The PCS Union has issued guidance to its members (i.e. JCP staff). They say:

“You cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to either require a

claimant to create a profile and CV in Universal Jobmatch or to mandate a

claimant to give us access to their account – this is their decision not

ours.”

Full text of PCS memo here:

http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/department_for_work_and_pensions_group/dwp-news.cfm/id/78E359C6-7B09-4FC6-98EBD4696432C199

[stikky62]

Well that makes sense lol, sounds like them, so after 6 months they don't claim on your behalf anymore? As I said earlier in the post my advisor said she would stay I'm contact me but didnt, which I wasn bothered about as advisors have a lot if other things to worry about, I could of done with it though because I needed support but couldn't exactly ask the head office in another city ( Birmingham I think) so some weeks I was left really struggling while their getting £400+ for me,

 

After 6 months, if you're still in work, they'll be claiming every 4 weeks for sustainment payments.

 

Just got this from some site or other:>

 

Payments

 

There is a three stage payment for the programme:

 

Attachment fee: This is paid to a Prime contractor (see below) when a client is allocated to them. The payment amount varies dependent upon the needs of the client and will reduce over the first three years of the programme. By the fourth year it will cease completely. In year 1, the majority of successful Primes are looking at making an upfront payment to organisations within their supply chain of between £100-£300.

Job Outcome fee: This will be paid to delivery organisations once clients have been in work or on an apprenticeship for a set period of time. For most clients this is six months, for those with greater needs it is three months. For almost all clients the attachment fee is in the order of £1,200, but for those with the greatest need it may reach £3,500. Again the total available sums will vary regionally and be dependent on the price which individual successful Primes have contracted with DWP.

Sustainment payment: This is a payment made every four weeks to delivery organisations who keep a client in work. For the majority of clients this will continue for a further year, but for those in the most need it continues for a further 18 months or two years. The level of this fee will range from £115 and £370 per quarter; again depending on the overall contract price negotiated between the successful Prime contractor and DWP in a specific Work Programme lot or Contract Package Area (CPA).

[G4C389]

After 6 months, if you're still in work, they'll be claiming every 4 weeks for sustainment payments.

 

Just got this from some site or other:>

 

Payments

 

There is a three stage payment for the programme:

 

Attachment fee: This is paid to a Prime contractor (see below) when a client is allocated to them. The payment amount varies dependent upon the needs of the client and will reduce over the first three years of the programme. By the fourth year it will cease completely. In year 1, the majority of successful Primes are looking at making an upfront payment to organisations within their supply chain of between £100-£300.

Job Outcome fee: This will be paid to delivery organisations once clients have been in work or on an apprenticeship for a set period of time. For most clients this is six months, for those with greater needs it is three months. For almost all clients the attachment fee is in the order of £1,200, but for those with the greatest need it may reach £3,500. Again the total available sums will vary regionally and be dependent on the price which individual successful Primes have contracted with DWP.

Sustainment payment: This is a payment made every four weeks to delivery organisations who keep a client in work. For the majority of clients this will continue for a further year, but for those in the most need it continues for a further 18 months or two years. The level of this fee will range from £115 and £370 per quarter; again depending on the overall contract price negotiated between the successful Prime contractor and DWP in a specific Work Programme lot or Contract Package Area (CPA).

 

I see thanks for that info, so on the 6 month mark your ild advisor will get a bonus ir something like that? personally I let ingeus/my advisor claim till the 6 month mark then I withdrawn consent, only because my advisor was ok with me and after that 6 month mark I then wanted to be left alone without that thought at the back of my mind that they were making money on my own success, If itit wasn't for my advisor I would of done it before I got this job, is it the head office that send you letters of in work support and that?

Edited January 18, 2013 by G4C389

[stikky62]

I've not withdrawn consent yet but I've already told my 'advisor' that if I do get a job I won't be telling them or the Job Centre where it's at - so they won't be getting any payments on my behalf. Actually do something and find me a job and I might reconsider, but otherwise they can go whistle. I also told him that at the first threat of a sanction they can go take a jump too,,,,not sure how it all went down (or if he was even listening) but I'm waiting on my next appointment with him. The first was a group thing so this appoinment I'm waiting for will be our first 1 to 1 - should be interesting..lol

 

I'm waiting on an interview outcome so I might not have to meet him ever again anyway - fingers crossed

 

btw, this advisor is quite a nice likeable chap too. I (i've nothing against him personally whatsoever). He told us that he was on the WP himself not so long ago - I can't help thinking some of these WP workers are as much victims of the system as we are. The WP providers are quids in with these lot. The wages aren't brilliant and they'll be saving 5 grand of that with sustainment payments (if they last that long...lol)

Edited January 17, 2013 by stikky62

[RebeccaPidgeon]

After 6 months, if you're still in work, they'll be claiming every 4 weeks for sustainment payments.

 

Just got this from some site or other:>

 

Payments

 

There is a three stage payment for the programme:

 

Attachment fee: This is paid to a Prime contractor (see below) when a client is allocated to them. The payment amount varies dependent upon the needs of the client and will reduce over the first three years of the programme. By the fourth year it will cease completely. In year 1, the majority of successful Primes are looking at making an upfront payment to organisations within their supply chain of between £100-£300.

Job Outcome fee: This will be paid to delivery organisations once clients have been in work or on an apprenticeship for a set period of time. For most clients this is six months, for those with greater needs it is three months. For almost all clients the attachment fee is in the order of £1,200, but for those with the greatest need it may reach £3,500. Again the total available sums will vary regionally and be dependent on the price which individual successful Primes have contracted with DWP.

Sustainment payment: This is a payment made every four weeks to delivery organisations who keep a client in work. For the majority of clients this will continue for a further year, but for those in the most need it continues for a further 18 months or two years. The level of this fee will range from £115 and £370 per quarter; again depending on the overall contract price negotiated between the successful Prime contractor and DWP in a specific Work Programme lot or Contract Package Area (CPA).

Self Employment

The payment model also applies if, for the sake of argument, some jobseekers are coerced into becoming self employed, and irrespective of how sustainable the underlying Business Model is, provided that they remain in a Registered Business, will generate £215 to the Work Programme Provider for every 4 weeks. Plus, if the candidate can make up the hours worked to 30 hours per week (through marketing, administration etc), then they can claim Working Tax Credit.

 

Far better that, if someone has a Business Idea, they discuss it with an Independent Professional Advisor in their own time, and develop a Business Plan, rather than simply deal with Welfare To Work Clerks. That way, the erstwhile entrepreneur will at least be dealing with a Professional Advise, rather than with a Clerk within a dubious enterprise.

[joeski]

do you have to show your WP advisor your job search records?

[RebeccaPidgeon]

do you have to show your WP advisor your job search records?

You have to provide information on the jobs that you have applied for, in whatever way and form that the candidate deems appropriate.... but are not required to provide contact details so that a clerk "may follow up on the application".

[joeski]

You have to provide information on the jobs that you have applied for, in whatever way and form that the candidate deems appropriate.... but are not required to provide contact details so that a clerk "may follow up on the application".

 

 

ok thanks

[debt4get]

After 6 months, if you're still in work, they'll be claiming every 4 weeks for sustainment payments.

 

Just got this from some site or other:>

 

Payments

 

There is a three stage payment for the programme:

 

Attachment fee: This is paid to a Prime contractor (see below) when a client is allocated to them. The payment amount varies dependent upon the needs of the client and will reduce over the first three years of the programme. By the fourth year it will cease completely. In year 1, the majority of successful Primes are looking at making an upfront payment to organisations within their supply chain of between £100-£300.

Job Outcome fee: This will be paid to delivery organisations once clients have been in work or on an apprenticeship for a set period of time. For most clients this is six months, for those with greater needs it is three months. For almost all clients the attachment fee is in the order of £1,200, but for those with the greatest need it may reach £3,500. Again the total available sums will vary regionally and be dependent on the price which individual successful Primes have contracted with DWP.

Sustainment payment: This is a payment made every four weeks to delivery organisations who keep a client in work. For the majority of clients this will continue for a further year, but for those in the most need it continues for a further 18 months or two years. The level of this fee will range from £115 and £370 per quarter; again depending on the overall contract price negotiated between the successful Prime contractor and DWP in a specific Work Programme lot or Contract Package Area (CPA).

 

I am a little bit confused by the wording of this....how the hell can they claim a payment every 4 weeks for 'keeping' a client in work? surely this is down to the individual keeping his/her job not them!!

[stikky62]

I am a little bit confused by the wording of this....how the hell can they claim a payment every 4 weeks for 'keeping' a client in work? surely this is down to the individual keeping his/her job not them!!

 

How or why they do a lot of stuff confuses me. The word 'advisor' gets me everytime!

[osdset]

How or why they do a lot of stuff confuses me. The word 'advisor' gets me everytime!

 

Advisor is a word bandied about a lot these days, the people at the end of the phone at my housing associations repair dept, are supposed to be advisors, even though they don't know the difference between a stop cock and a spanner.

For advisor read 'phone jockey'

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Advisor is a word bandied about a lot these days, the people at the end of the phone at my housing associations repair dept, are supposed to be advisors, even though they don't know the difference between a stop cock and a spanner.

For advisor read 'phone jockey'

Within A4E and Working Links, the Clerks have always awarded themselves the baloneous title of Consultant.

[RebeccaPidgeon]

I am a little bit confused by the wording of this....how the hell can they claim a payment every 4 weeks for 'keeping' a client in work? surely this is down to the individual keeping his/her job not them!!

A better term would be fraud ie "to obtain pecuniary advantage through deception",

[Chester6]

A better term would be fraud ie "to obtain pecuniary advantage through deception",

 

or just slaves to the system that employs them

[Reba]

This morning I was fortunate enough to be offer a full time job, which of course I accepted.

 

Following that phone call, I then rang Ingeus - who after I told I now had full time work which was starting on Monday, still forced me to come into an hour of 'assisted' job search this afternoon and wouldn't let me go until I'd pointlessly applied for a minimum of 2 jobs.

 

Just wondering, now that I've signed off and in full time work, will Ingeus contact my new employer?

[osdset]

This morning I was fortunate enough to be offer a full time job, which of course I accepted.

 

Following that phone call, I then rang Ingeus - who after I told I now had full time work which was starting on Monday, still forced me to come into an hour of 'assisted' job search this afternoon and wouldn't let me go until I'd pointlessly applied for a minimum of 2 jobs.

 

Just wondering, now that I've signed off and in full time work, will Ingeus contact my new employer?

 

Forced, how?

[flumps1976]

Reba they can only contact the employers if you give the details, if you close your claim for JsA on either the ES40 or ES40s you can simply state starting work over 16 hours, it isn't a requirement to give the employer details.

Congratulations x

[Nystagmite]

Congratulations and enjoy your new job!

[Reba]

Reba they can only contact the employers if you give the details, if you close your claim for JsA on either the ES40 or ES40s you can simply state starting work over 16 hours, it isn't a requirement to give the employer details.

Congratulations x

 

Thank you,

I ended my JSA claim by calling the in and out of work number, as my JCP adviser told me to, and they took my new employers details. I'm guessing this will be passed onto Ingeus then?

[Bakatcha]

When signing off it isn't even necessary to give reason - all you need to say is "my circumstances have changed such that I no longer wish to claim JSA."

[flumps1976]

If you qualify for the Job Grant and run on payments on HB and Ctb then you should declare it closing due to starting work.

 

Unless you have withdrawn consent at the Work Program then yes they can contact and ask for employer details.

[Masso]

4 Interviews in just over 1 week...

 

1 work trial in February...

 

Passed a telephone Interview, so awaiting Interview with Manager. This month has been a great one!!! Looking forward to escaping Ingeus...

 

I might make a film on it, 'Escape from Ingeus'....Sounds as good as the alcatraz one hey...

[joeski]

one of my friends is also on the WP and suffers from bad anxiety problems, he had to attend his first confidence workshop today (im due to start it in a few weeks) and as they had to do something that involved a bit of speaking out loud he walked out and said a member of staff he couldn't do it because his anxiety was playing up. it was volentry (although his advisor told him different) and he has just asked me is there any other help he can get from ingeus to help deal with his anxiety and is walking out a sanctionable offence?

[Bakatcha]

Hi joeski

 

 

 

 

he has just asked me is there any other help he can get from ingeus to help

deal with his anxiety

I am guessing from the course name (confidence workshop) that this is what the provider considers to be help for your friend's anxiety issues!

There is a huge degree of irony that he became so anxious at what was supposed to be helping him/her with his anxiety that he felt compelled to leave the session. It must be remembered that Ingeus staff are not medically qualified in any way - let alone specialists in mental health. Unqualified people can do more damage than good and it would be extremely insensitive to raise any sort of sanction doubt in the circumstances described.

Should Ingeus attempt to do so I recommend that your friend seek immediate help from the CAB' I would also complain and threaten to contact the press with details.