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In order to use them, you will have to copy them into your own post and then give us the answers – preferably in red below each question. You can start by overwriting the prompt: "Give answer here" below each question – and your responses should automatically appear in red   Thank you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   You have received a claim form.   firstly - read all the posts in this thread FIRST...   then copy this first msg to your thread - and put your answer after each question   In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us]     Which Court have you received the claim from ? Name County Court   MCOL Northampton N1 ? Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ? New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?   If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. 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If the claim goes against you, it will be very difficult to make a counter claim as you didn’t respond to the initial small claim.   You may be unaware that you are the defendant in a small claims case that a Creditor has bought against you. When the small claims form arrives follow these initial steps:   1: Read the Form Carefully   The detail about the claim that is being bought against you will be in the ‘particulars of claim’ section. If this section isn't completed, or has the words ‘particulars of claim to follow’ take no action now and wait until you are sent details of the claim against you. You may want to consult a lawyer at this stage.   2: Respond in Time   It’s vitally important that you respond to the claim for you have been sent. Remember that there is a 19 day (5 +14) time limit on this to acknowledge the claim.You must submit before the 19 days are up, so post your response with plenty of time.If your intention is to defend the claim in full you get a further 14 days to submit your response ...so 33 days in total.   3: Talk to the Claimant   Just because a small claim has been bought against you and a claim form issued, this doesn’t mean you are not allowed to contact the claimant directly. In fact the court encourages you to try and settle the claim without the need for a court appearance. So, try and resolve your dispute directly with the claimant if you can.   Not Responding to a Small Claim   If you ignore the small claims form when it arrives this can have an adverse impact on your financial status. The court will continue with the small claims lawsuit that is being bought against you even in your absence as this is a legal requirement. When the small claim is processed you will be sent a bill showing the amount you owe and any additional costs. The small claims against you is a legal process that will be recorded on the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines. This information is used to check your credit, so could have a negative impact when you next apply for any credit. To avoid damaging your credit rating reply to your small claims docket as soon as you can.   How to Respond to Your Small Claims Form   When you received your form from the court you will also have been sent a response pack. In this pack you will see the option that are open to you. These include:   • A dispute claim form. You can use this form if you do not agree that you are liable for the small claim being bought against you and wish to submit a Defence. • Details about how to pay the amount being claimed from you. • Details about how to admit to part of the small claim against you, and how you can ask the claimant for more time to pay.   There are Two Types of Small Claims:   Fixed Amounts:   If the claim against you is for a fixed amount of money your response pack will contain three forms. Form N9 (acknowledgement of Service), form N9A (admission form) and N9B (defence and counterclaim form).   Unspecified Amounts:   If the amount being claimed is unspecified you will be sent forms N9 and N9C (admission form) and N9D (defence and counterclaim form). It is vital that you read the accompanying explanatory notes before choosing which form to send back.   Paying the Small Claim   If you want to make full payment of the amount being claimed against you this amount will be shown on the claim for you have been sent, and will also have details about where to send the money. Don’t forget, this must be done within the 14 day time limit or your case will proceed to the next stage.   In some instances you would like to pay, but need more time, you can give details about the delay you would like on form N9A, which should be in your response pack. It’s also a good idea to read leaflet EX309: The Defendant Admits by claim as this gives more details on this aspect of your case when fixed amounts of money are involved. Leaflet EX308 gives details of cases when unspecified amounts are being claimed against you.   Also please read forms EX326 and EX160A   How to Defend a Claim Against You   Disputed claims are handled by filling in the appropriate form from your response pack. You have three choices: Form N9, N9B or N9D. Read the note accompanying each form carefully to ensure you completely correctly. Pay special attention to the allegations raised on the form. If you don’t respond to each the court will assume you are admitting guilt. Edited April 10, 2014 by stu007 Updated PDF added    1   Bookmark   Report 2 months later...   citizenB   Posted June 5, 2014 #3   PLEASE NOTE - WARNING   Once you have received your claim form - the Court timetable comes into force. Not that of the creditor or claimant. If you have requested information with them after the claim has been issued - or have entered into discussion with them and they say something like "We will put this on hold for a period of time". 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ohh yes i just checked the first letter i received they added £300 for early termination of the contract!!!! is that right by law to add termination fee ??

 

Nothing to do with the Law - but whether YOU agreed to it as part of the T&Cs you agreed to.

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Because they don't care? YOu appear to believe that just becasue the bill payer did not make the call, there is no responsibility?

 

There is - whether it was misused, lost or stolen, the contract holder is exclusively responsible for any debt run up on an account, and rightly so. Comsumers are fully responsible for the use of their handsets, and are expected to act responsibly, monitoring usage and ensuring their device is protected with the inbuilt secutiy features to ensure unauthorised calls are not made.

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I am thinking of sending the letter on 1st page with WITHOUT PREJUDICE on the top of the letter offering the 500 quid to go away

 

Yes go for it, if that is what you want to do. If Lowell don't own the debt and are just chasing it on behalf of t-mobile they will have to ask them.

 

Would be suprised if they agreed to note the debt as satsified in full.

 

I am finding it unbelievable that anyone would take out a contract phone for a 17 year old cousin and to let them run up a bill. You must be a Premier League footballer.

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Mady if you insist on doing this without doing a SAR and are happy to agree you owe the full ammount then they will ask for more than 500.00. If you are employed and have a regular income they might decide to go to court still and go for the full ammount in the belief you can pay it. If you can pay if you will have to pay the ammount outstanding in full as per the agreement and any charges incurred also eg, the termination fee and interest even maybe.

 

If they decide as is their right to go to court you would be advised to still apply for the SAR to be sure they have a right to collect the alleged debt as have everything legally required.

 

If you find they dont have a true copy of the original agreement its game over for them, so why insist f and f prior to requesting proof of debt. I mean its up to you, but I dont mean to offend but it has to be said. If you are in the position to apply for a loan and can afford such a loan, then I think you can afford to pay for you liability in full if you owe it or at least what they can legally prove you owe as in signed agreement. You see you may offer 500.00 and they may check your credit file and say nope we want it in full, what will you do then?

 

But it is up to you, you have been given advice

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Also if lowell have legally bought the debt from t mobile they are required to have the legal documents to persue you at the same time. If they have simply bought an account with no documentation and the agreement has not been preserved then they have bought a dead duck. In that case it would be sent back to tmobile as would you believe it even some supposed sold accounts return to original creditor if there are no documents to support, or sold on again and you just insist on the production of your agreement.

 

Now if they have the agreement as said as before when have viewed it you can make up your mind, but dont be suprised if they wont accept 500.00 and insist on persuing the full balance, lowell are a little pushy of all the dcas. If you have any calls from them, record them, but if you can keep all in writing. Best of luck

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I am carp at posting links, when you first come to CAG main page if you scroll down you will find the template forum and its in there. If have any problems click on the red triangle below your posts and I am sure the site team would help you. You could ask them to post a link of it to your thread for you, they are nice peeps :)

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Here it is: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/content.php?417-A-Subject-Access-Request-for

 

You need to send it to T-mobile with the £10 fee, they have 40 days in which to furnish you with the documents. It will be beneficial if you state what you are particularly after as well as all the normal docs.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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T-mobile, it will be wasted on Lowell.

SAR should always go to the original creditor, what you want to see, is if Lowlifes have added anything in the way of charges to the debt, and if T-mobile have added any charges also.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi there

 

1) First Don't mention ANY reasons as to why you can't pay the debt in full -- don't mention special circumstances etc etc --these will only come back and bite you later.

 

2) Anything to do with Bailiff's as far as a DCA is concerned is usually just threatograms -- unless there is an official Warrant of Execution which has to be issued by a Court you DO NOT EVER EVER have to let these scumbags into your home or deal with them in any way whatsoever --hide all vehicles however. There's lots of posts on the Bailiff section of the forum under Council Tax demands so you can get an idea of your rights dealing with these real dastardly ****.

 

3) If you DON'T own property the DCA can't issue a charging order so they really don't have any serious enforcement powers even for a CCJ.

 

The DCA is unlikely to go to Court as you could probably get a Court to agree to something like paying 1 GBP a month. The LEWIS group are a really NASTY outfit who buys debts for PENNIES in the pound and then try and get the WHOLE LOT back. This business model has passed its sell by date now -- One of the companies in their group CATTLES has thankfully already gone out of business.

 

 

4) If you want to make a Full and final settlement just say I can offer XXXX -- of course also insist that your offer is accepted as a FULL and FINAL settlement in writing so the other part can't be sold on to yet another piece of pondslime. I'd start at say 10% and you'll probably get an agreement from them after two or three refusals of around 17 %.

 

5) If they insist on saying NO just say OK I can't pay so TAKE ME TO COURT. You'll always get a better deal from a Court than from these lowlifes.

 

I wouldn't worry about Credit Ratings - since you've got into debt it's a good time to attempt to totally do WITHOUT credit -- not so difficult and you'll have much more money at the end of each month too.

 

If you DON'T have money or property there is TOTALLY NOTHING the DCA can do.

 

Now if you DO own property they will go for a charging order --actually these days that isn't such a horror as it used to be since Interest is STOPPED stone dead especially for ANY debt under 5,000 GBP whether its consumer credit or otherwise, and for relatively small amounts there is ZERO possibility of them getting a forced sale.

 

You are perversly in a better barganing position than before since you can say I'm not moving for 30 years by which time your debt will be worthless so how about a Full and Final settlement --then make your offer --suggest start at 10%.

 

It's time this DISGUSTING practice of selling on debts was either stopped or becomes not profitable. Nobody would be sorry to see people like CL Lewis / Lewis group / Cohen Solicitors go out of business.

 

 

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would Lowell know if i am working or not? Jimbo45 how about the F & F letter i got in this thread in the 1st page do u think is good enough? or should i start buy letter NOT acknowleging the debts and then when i get reply i make them and offer??

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would Lowell know if i am working or not? Jimbo45 how about the F & F letter i got in this thread in the 1st page do u think is good enough? or should i start buy letter NOT acknowleging the debts and then when i get reply i make them and offer??

 

Lowell would only need to know about your financial circumstances, if they took this to court and the court wanted the information. You have not obligation to provide Lowell with any information about your finances.

 

You have decided on an F&F which is fine, but I thought you wanted to obtain full information from t-mobile using an SAR before you did this.

 

So what do you want to do.

 

1) Just make Lowell a F&F offer OR

2) Find out the true debt level and information from t-mobile and use this to inform you of the amount of F&F to offer Lowell.

 

If 1), then use the Insolvencyhelpline letter which is similar to yours. http://www.insolvencyhelpline.co.uk/debt_factsheets/full_and_final_settlement_offers.php . In the letter you should add that a contract phone was taken by a cousin on holiday without your knowledge and they were responsible for the phones usage. However, to resolve the matter, you are able to offer £xxx.

 

2) Suggest that you submit the SAR request to t-mobile and then send Lowell a letter advising that you have written to request further information from t-mobile regarding the account (enclose a copy of letter sent to t-mobile) and that you will respond to Lowell on receipt of the information. Explain in both letters of the circumstances of a cousin taking the phone on holiday without your knowledge and that they were responsible for the usage. In order to ascertain the usage you have made an SAR to obtain full disclosure of the conduct of the account.

 

PS. As a by the way. Why don't you take this matter up with your cousins parents/guardians.

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If its for a Mobile Phone Bill I'd just tell Lewis to Foxtrot Oscar. It won't go to court.

 

Getting an SAR in this case seems to be a bit of overkill since this will cost you 40 quid in the first place and it might *legitimize* the debt.

 

If you really want to pay these lowlifes something just offer your Full and Final with the provisor that it IS a full and final and all references in the credit files ARE REMOVED.

 

If Lewis don't play ball just as I said in the start of this post tell them to Foxtrot Oscar (or "make a Sexual move with a Duck") if you get my meaning.

 

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If its for a Mobile Phone Bill I'd just tell Lewis to Foxtrot Oscar. It won't go to court.

 

Getting an SAR in this case seems to be a bit of overkill since this will cost you £10 in the first place and it might *legitimize* the debt. It won't legitimise the alleged account if you add a line like 'I do not acknowledge any alleged debt to your company or any that you claim to represent.

 

If you really want to pay these lowlifes something just offer your Full and Final with the provisor that it IS a full and final and all references in the credit files ARE REMOVED. Don't jump the gun. You need to find out if there are charges etc. SAR, which, if offset, substantially reduce the balance, or indeed, may turn out that they owe you money.

 

If Lewis don't play ball just as I said in the start of this post tell them to Foxtrot Oscar (or "make a Sexual move with a Duck") if you get my meaning.

 

Cheers

jimbo

 

Good advice jimbo but I've highlighted the errors in red for ease for the OP :)

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Hi Mady,

Please try not to worry so much.. even if in the worse case scenario they issued a summons, there is still time to come to a payment arrangement so they would withdraw it. Furthermore, if they issued a CCJ and you paid it within one month, it wouldn't be marked on your file.

So please don't pay a penny to Lowell or send a F&F offer yet. You need to make them prove what they say you owe. It's your legal right.

It's no use sending a CCA request for a mobile contract, however as already advised what you do need to do is to send a SAR (Subject Access Request) direct to the mobile company, so that you know what charges they have added and whether the correct amount is being claimed, for the correct period. You also need a copy of your agreement terms and conditions so that you can check whether they have a right to charge what they have.

It costs £10 to apply for the SAR.

In the meantime you could either send the standard "Prove it" letter (linked in the debt blog below) or write to Lowell and state that you have concerns about the accuracy and validity of their demand and have therefore sent a Subject Access request to T Mobile and that they should consider the account in dispute and hold further action until you have received the requested information and completed your enquiries.

 

If you want to go the SAR route just shout and I'll do you a template amended for mobiles.

Elsa x

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No worries jim, just keeping your on your toes lol...

 

To the OP if you want to offer an F & F lose the WP as this cannot then be used in court at a latter without permission from both parties ;)

 

what you mean by the above?

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