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    • What do you guys think the chances are for her?   She followed the law, they didnt, then they engage in deception, would the judge take kindly to being lied to by these clowns? If we have a case then we should proceed and not allow these blatant dishonest cheaters to succeed 
    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
    • please stop using @username - sends unnecessary alerts to people. everyone that's posted on your thread inc you gets an automatic email alert when someone else posts.  
    • he Fraser group own Robin park in Wigan. The CEO's email  is  [email protected]
    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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hi everyone, i was made redundant again back in january and didnt have the pennies to fight it as im on JSA,

im still out oif work and decided to leave it. Main reasons because i dont have anything to put into the BR my house is worth less than i owe on the mortgage and im due for Automatic discharge in a few days.

 

im not so bothered now if they decide to sell my house as its worthless (no proffit if sold) with a big morgage anyway, and feel if they take this i can rent again for less and start again in my partners name later.

 

i feel if i hadnt been made redundant again i would have fought on because of possible IPO's etc but as i dont have anything other than benefits coming in at the moment i dont think they can start one after im discharged?

 

a lot of heart ache over a lost cause, they made me bankrupt but i reckon they didnt gain anything from it..........

 

Regards

RC

 

PS. Thanks for all your support and help,

I still believe i could have won and i may have cleared my name, but if i had carried on i feel all i would have achieved financially would have been all my other debts back.

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Well a lot of Heart Ache later and im discharged......

What a waste of time trying to fight it in the first place.

 

I now Owe nothing, nada..... Slate catagorically 'cleaned'.

 

I have nothing on my credit file as it has been sooooooooooo long since the supposed account was recorded in the first instance. I only need to get a cert of discharge and i can build my life again :-) clear of ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL Debt.

 

Just think i could have had it annulled and be in the same position with 20k + left to pay to the other legitimate creditors who i were paying in the first place.

 

Just think i could be still in debt! even after annullment.

 

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May i please take the time to THANK all at LOWELL'S and HFO who have selflessly cleared all my debt for me in one fail swoop.

Thank you Thank You Thank you Thank You Thank you Thank You XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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I really did not see at the time that you were doing me an immense favour, I owe you a biggggg favour :-)beerchug.gif

( just please dont make me bankrupt again for it returning ).redface.gif

 

I Love you Lowells you are my hero's.angel-smiley-002.gif

 

I love you too HFO, for your ability to lie for Lowells so well in order to clear my debt for me your soooo cool.cool.gif

 

I wish i could give you a big big Hug.wink.gif

 

 

Anyway i must be off ive got a business to start and a life to get back on track.cool.gif

 

Oh im Excited its like being re-born xxx biggrin.gif

 

 

Thank you

and Godbless

 

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Now don't forget the complaints about both companies to the OFT and Trading Standards will you.... any more noises from them should be reported to your Official Receiver.

 

 

Thanks i Will, Not before i send them a Thank you card first though ;-)

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