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    • I have read through a number of similar threads, but one thing i'm not sure how to proceed about is that I live abroad in the middle east and have done for several years. The claim letter was sent to my parents address and I really don't want them to be harassed about this. I am sure I sent the original creditor a registered letter with my change of address but can't find this currently. I am not in a position to pay this, and tend to come back to the UK to see family at most once a year (less since Covid), so not particular bothered about my financial score...more concerned about harassment of my parents. I have not registered on the gov gateway or anything like that.  Details below (as best as i can), and thank you for taking the time to look into it. Also redacted claim form attached: Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business Centre (Northampton) If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS) Name of the Claimant ? PRA Group (UK) Limited   How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 23/5/24   ^^^^^ NOTE : WHEN CALCULATING THE TIMELINE - PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DATE ON THE CLAIMFORM IS ONE IN THE COUNT [example: Issue date 01.03.2014 + 19 days (5 days for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = 19.03.2014 + 14 days to submit defence = 02.04.2014] = 33 days in total   Date of issue XX + 19 days ( 5 day for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = XX + 14 days to submit defence = XX (33 days in total)  if your defence filing date falls on a W/End, you must file by friday @4PM Tues, 11/6/24 (19 days)  Thurs, 25/6/24 (33 days)   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The Claimant claims the sum of £7926 for an outstanding debt owed. On 20/4/18 the Defendent entered into an agreement with Lloyds Bank for a Credit Card under reference [16 numbers]. On 10/5/22 the Defendant defaulted on the agreement with an outstanding balance of £7296. On 28/11/23 the debt of £7296 was assigned to PRA Group (UK) Limited, who itself assigned the debt to PRA Group UK Portfolios Ltd on 30/12/23. Notices of assignment were sent to the Defendant in accordance with S136 Law of Property Act 1925. The Claimant has instructed PRA Group (UK) to act on its behalf and the CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. The sum of £7925   What is the total value of the claim? £8481 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? Yes   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? I believe I sent a letter by registered mail of a change in address to abroad in 2021. Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Debt purchaser   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not personally - probably sent to my parents   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not personally - probably sent to my parents   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not personally - probably sent to my parents Why did you cease payments? Unable to afford, living abroad   What was the date of your last payment? Unsure (probably 2021)   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No     Claim form 23-5-24.pdf
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did they say 'offence' ?

 

Each letter is headed IN THE PROPOSED ACTION,

 

then in the body it has my name, address, date and states In the proposed Action: OPC V my name and invoice number, at the bottom of the letter in red is says Legal Department

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So why are they laying out in clear detail all the things that they think they COULD do against the driver by writing to the Registered Keeper? Presumably the RK isn't particularly interested in what beef they have with the driver. :D

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So why are they laying out in clear detail all the things that they think they COULD do against the driver by writing to the Registered Keeper? Presumably the RK isn't particularly interested in what beef they have with the driver. :D

 

Crem, thats what I thought it is saying we cant do anything against the RK, is this the normal letter that OPC send out?

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So why are they laying out in clear detail all the things that they think they COULD do against the driver by writing to the Registered Keeper? Presumably the RK isn't particularly interested in what beef they have with the driver. :D

 

I don't know if these PPCs are ignorant of the law, or are deliberately misleading people. Over on MSE somebody posted this classic received from another PPC:-

 

"the parking charge issued to your vehicle"

 

Are they expecting the car to pay?

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Note that they do not actually specify the nature of the alleged contractual breach. They just send out a templated letter with a list of random 'contraventions'.

 

This has always been worth pointing out in defences against them. If nothing else, it just makes them look silly.

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Hi everybody,

I am also in the opc club now. I parked my car in a private parking last month. It was late night and i didnt see any parking restriction board. When i left there was no parking ticket affixed on my windscreen. After 1 month i got a similar 2 page letter from OPC which afcwben has posted above asking for £100 instead of reduced £50. I have gone through alot of posts on this forum regarding OPC and bbc watchdog last week and i understand that these are invoices and not fines and thus not enforceable.

 

But i have also found out the OPC do eventually go to court and i will have to go to court to defend it. And this will result me taking a day off from work which will cost me more than £100. Do you guys think that i should ignore it and hope that they wont go to court, or ask them that i never found any ticket affixed to my windscreen and i dont remember if i park at that place or not? What are your thoughts.

 

waiting for reply.

cheers.

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Clueless, I hope you're not seriously considering paying these crooks just coz u think it's 2 much hassle??? R u 'aving a laugh mate? But if u r serious, can I send u an invoice as well then? Coz apparently all I have 2 do is threaten u with court, and u r sure 2 pay up coz otherwise you'll lose income & it's far 2 much hassle 4 u 2 defend.

 

Now plse, get a grip. If they r stupid enough 2 pursue it that far, u will win, and winning usually means u can recover all your costs against them as well, incl. lost income. So don't b a big girl's blouse. Are u a man or a mouse? (Hey...I'm a poet, & I know it). And if u need further encouragement 2 fight your corner, chk out my reply to Chelsy on the Athena thread, 2nd page I think. If, after reading that, you're still having doubts about the legal strength of your position, I'll post one of the best legal summaries I have seen covering this subject. Is that enough 4 u 2 b mulling over in the m/time?

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The only reason they do court, and lose vast amounts of money in the process, is to persuade people like you to pay.

 

If you pay, you are just paying for someone else who defeated them in court in effect.

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Thanks havinastella, beesnees & Al27 for your reply. I was totally not considering to pay them until i found on a few threads here that the max lost earnings you can claim in court is £50 if you win the case. Also OPC is taking ppl to court and not giving up after 5-6 letters. This was a cause of concern for me.

 

But now after your replies I have decided not to pay them. I hope i can find a good & cheap lawyer to represent me if they do take me to court and recover the costs :wink:

 

So, wats the final verdict now?:wink: Should i ask them for any proof/pics etc or just ignore them? P.S. I havn't started any communication with them yet.

 

Thanks again for your help.

 

Cheers

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Me again - good ol' Beesnees 2 the rescue. I don't mean 2 b rude clueless (well, not 2 much, anyway), but what part of IGNORE don't u understand??? Is it the ig bit or the nore bit? Tell me, coz then I could perhaps enlighten u further. Or u could try a dictionary.

 

U obviously haven't read that thread yet re Athena. That should answer most of your questions. And again, u needn't worry about a cheap lawyer, coz you'll b awarded costs - which incl. your lawyer's fees. So plse, relax, put your feet up, & break open a gottle of gear.

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You wont need a lawyer anyway, AL27 has proved himself better than anyone you could get from the law society. He has defeated OPC on every case.

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legal costs not claimable in small claims

 

Exactly - despite what OPC have said in their letter to the afcwben:

 

The driver will be liable to pay all additional collection costs including legal and collection costs which could reach up to £300 per private parking ticket
And don't go thinking that Windsor-Smythe & Partners are solicitors as they are just debt-collectors with absolutely no more powers to collect debts than you or me.
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but my time is around £40 per hr. its gonna be a loss for me in that case and more hassel. :???:

 

At that pay rate it would put you on about £80K a year, so surely you can afford to take the risk and help put the [problematic] out of business by starving them of funds!

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