UKPPO (UKPC) ANPR PCN - 4mins overstay - Anne Horniman Street, First Street, Manchester

[cavz]

Hi all,

My son got the attached whilst picking his partner up from work back in July.

Told him to ignore it and i would post it up on here.

He has since had Debt Recover Plus letters.

Trying to find the next step please.

Thanks.

Notice attached.

 

2023-07-20 UKPPO ANPR PCN incident 2023-07-13.pdf

[dx100uk]

DCA's are not BAILIFFS

safe to ignore everything until/unless he ever gets a Letter Of Claim.

4 min overstay eh? well thats within their allowed times anyway i bet.

photo all the signs and their locations.

dx

 

[cavz]

He has since received the attached Debt Recovery Plus letter - See attached.

No problem, Let's see if he gets one. Cheers.

 

2023-09-21 DR+ Debt Letter.pdf

[Nicky Boy]

Just a quick comment for later witness statement (if ever needed)

Extract from Fleecer's trade association:

13 Consideration and Grace Periods on Private Land
13.1 Motorists must be allowed a sufficient Consideration Period so they may make an informed decision as to whether or not to enter or remain on the Private Land. If a Motorist chooses to reject the opportunity by entering or remaining on the Private Land without reading terms and conditions, they may be deemed to have accepted them immediately.

Very strange wording in the last sentence, however... Your son obviously did "read the terms and conditions"... Didn't he?

That would involve, parking up, finding the closest sign, then reading their stupid terms and conditions, which would quite easily take 4 or 5 minutes. (Especially after reading the micriofiche sized writing at the bottom of the sign with your magnifying glass.)

Here's the location on Google spyview. (Zoomed in on one of their signs.)

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4732382,-2.2457304,3a,15y,155.66h,91.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siL2FO-FdHIOQNTSfC_gBfQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

And here's the view of their "entrance sign" around the corner, only about 5 or 6 ft from another (conflicting) sign.

Note that all of this conlicting signage is on the same street... "Annie Horniman Street".

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4731599,-2.2458323,3a,44.9y,59.23h,89.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_s5C_XHu3x6Bu_UaD7T8Kg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

 

[Nicky Boy]

11 hours ago, cavz said:

My son got the attached whilst picking his partner up from work back in July.

Presumably, his partner works for the business onsite?

Try approaching them about cancelling the PCN...

[lookinforinfo]

The PCN does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 -the Act that covers parking  in private car parks. This means that only the driver is resposible for the charge and the keeper cannot be held liable to pay anything.

As nicky Boy has already explained, the sign at the entrance  which should be the sign that forms the contract with drivers does not explain what the terms and conditions are. so it is only an offer to treat  not  contract forming.

In any event your son was not parked there he was stopped inside his car waiting to pick someone up. the definition of parking always includes the action of leaving the car unattended.