Thanks spaceman. I might just do that after I've drafted my defence - just to make sure I've covered all the bases. I've had some brilliant advice from the guys on Pepipoo (I couldn't risk missing the deadline), and it's now looking like a Tribunal win for me, if not an NTO win. Would my defence be of any interest/use to you guys, or the members? I'd be happy to copy it here too if so.

BTW, I should also point out that I came across a seriously dodgy site in my travels. DoNotPay.co.uk should be avoided like the plague: https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/donotpay.com And I strongly suspect that all (or most of) those 5* reviews are fake. You have been warned!

The only thing Iv'e found to date revolves around 'mitigating circumstances', which is not entirely satisfactory. The relevant para. says: Seems to suggest it could go either way, so I was hoping to find something a bit more substantial than that. For example, could the de minimis defence apply in my specific circs? And how realistic is it to expect the driver to remember to check on every occasion that the permit is in place? Again, as I pointed out in my initial (informal) appeal - if the permit fell after or soon after the door was shut [which is equally entirely

As my appeal period is rapidly diminishing, any danger of a response to my query above anytime soon please?

Any advice on possible grounds for appeal would be much appreciated. Many thanks. NTO_Merged_File.pdf

Not yet. Expecting it to arrive any day now. I will then be making a formal appeal, which seems a complete waste of time, since it's adjudicated again by the council. My appeal will almost certainly be rejected again, but I guess I hafta go thru the motions anyway. I have now foregone my right to a discounted fine, which I think now stands at £110. I intend following up a rejection with an appeal to the independent adjudicator. Will anybody here be able to assist me with grounds for an appeal that stands a chance of success?

@ dx100uk Haven't actually checked, so you could well be right.

@rocky_sharma Fame at last!! Dunno how much help it would be in your case, but I could try digging out the txt of my defence if you think it might be relevant to your defence. We might hafta do this via PM, then e-mail though if ya wanna go down that route. Good luck with yours anyway mate.

Was quite surprised to get this after almost 3 months since my appeal. 1. Is there any chance they are out of time as regards any possible deadlines for rejecting an appeal? 2. Is it worth risking a doubling of the fine to go thru the appeals process? Thanks.

Thanks ericsbrother. Appreciated. I'll give it a go on her behalf.

Correction to the OP. My daughter now informs me that it actually fell on the car floor, so may well have been completely out of view. I doubt that would have made any difference to the issue of the PCN's though. And the combined penalty is £110, not £130.

Except, of course, that it isn't 'free'. My daughter is a named driver on our policy and has occasional use of our 2nd car. The plan is that we transfer ownership over to her sometime next year, but in the meantime I'm the registered keeper. Unfortunately, after parking it on her way to work the other day, she failed to notice that our fairly expensive parking permit had fallen off the windscreen face down onto the dash - we think possibly due to condensation. Cue the first PCN from Greenwich Council. To compound the misfortune, she walked home that night, and managed t

Noted, and thanks. We can manage quite well without this account, and closing it would appear to save a lot of potential hassle.

Thx for the advice dx. I'm still inclined to close the a/c & be done with it, unless you think that might be a serious mistake. Not possible. The trxn date precedes our departure, and only Booking.com and the B&B had our card details at that time. A more likely explanation is that Booking.com were hacked, but kept quiet about it, or else someone at the B&B (possibly an employee?) used our card details to settle a debt with BWH. Locanda di Mosconi is a family-run business that relies on word of mouth recommendation and jealously guards its reputation for hon

Long story short. Returned from holiday in Florence in early July booked thru Booking .com to find an unauthorized debit (around £170) on our HSBC statement in favour of Best Western Hotel. Transaction date was prior to our departure from the UK, and we stayed at a B&B, not a hotel. CrCards cancelled & replaced to forestall further unauthorized debits. Immediately queried debit with bank, who magnanimously credited the charge, and will send us a form to complete. Never arrived. Two further enquiries at our local branch, and we were told we'd get