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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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As an ex civil servant (I did 10 years) with many friends who are still in the Civil service I am disgusted at people's opinions of those who usually work bloody hard for peanuts to try and help people as much as they can and do their job as best they can considering the service they are left with and have to try to work with :mad::mad::mad:

 

Average wage more than people in the private sector??!! :lol:! I'm sorry dear but you are very much wrong there if you are talking about the majority of front line staff. As with any establishment, it's the big wigs at the top who earn all the real money, and it's them who need to go. NOT those who ARE needed in order to provide the services needed. The cuts will go ahead and would have regardless of who won. Labour have already been cutting staff for years, with no regard of the mess that it caused. One of the many reasons I left was because it was too stressfull, being expected to carry out the same ammount of work with half the staff. It doesn't work. People are expected to do overtime they are not paid for just to keep their head above water. This idea of a bunch of people sat around doing nothing drinking tea infuriates me and smacks of nothing but bloody ignorance! As for their pensions and slalaries being protected, pah, that's why they have been striking, because the gov are as good at keepig promises to their staff as they are with the rest of their policies. Traditionally they got good pensions and one reason for that was because of the low pay they got in comparision. Those days are long gone.

 

I'd like to know where it was in my post that I said any of the things you appear to have ascribed to me.

 

All I have asked is who the extra 750,000 are and what they are doing. That's a fair question in my mind given that my taxes go towards paying for them.

 

My wife works in the public sector - right in the 'front line' at a special needs school. I am not anti public sector. I just want to know why we need 750,000 more public sector workers than we had 13 years ago. Some of them will be additional health care workers and teachers which I am all in favour of. But who are the rest and why do we need them?

 

They are legitimate questions, not statements of fact.

 

As far as wages are concerned, here is just one article: Public sector pay races ahead in recession - Times Online

 

I know that there are bound to be good reasons for some of this, like a lot of the lower-paid workers being contracted out from public to private, but I also know that my wife's salary has increased by a much bigger percentage than mine over the last 10 years.

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This shows a few of them Fred

 

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Gotta say I am surprised that there are more admin/support than there are nurses in the NHS. I expect admin/support includes things like cleaners. Managers almost doubled looking at that graph.

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This shows a few of them Fred

 

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Gotta say I am surprised that there are more admin/support than there are nurses in the NHS. I expect admin/support includes things like cleaners. Managers almost doubled looking at that graph.

 

Well most of the cleaners are probably contracted out and therefore in the private sector, so they wouldn't count as members of the NHS.

 

You shouldn't be surprised at the extra admin. staff - somebody has to 'monitor' all of the targets that have been set and then fiddle the figures. Health professionals should be left alone to decide who needs what treatment on the basis of need, not on the basis of some artificial target.

 

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Unbelievable. Tories in power for less than half an hour and already a Scottish family is unemployed and homeless. :D :D :D

 

Don't worry, he'll get a big fat pension that most of us could only ever dream about and we have to pay for it.. Most of us haven't wrecked the economy and the pensions industry or wantonly sold the country's gold for the wrong price either.

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According to the Times article I linked to earlier, there are actually 914,000 more public sector workers now than there were 13 years ago, not the 750,000 that I was quoting.

 

We have definitely not got 914,000 extra Teachers, Nurses and Doctors.

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by Fred Basset:

"We have definitely not got 914,000 extra Teachers, Nurses and Doctors."

 

There are too many managers, there are too many scribblers and all on high salaries!

 

The people that are needed, as Fred says, are qualified teachers, nurses, doctors etc...

 

Cut out the high salaries that are being paid to the civil servant pen pusher's.

 

Take a look at your local council, take a look at the salaries paid out to the bod's at the top

 

Take a look at the colossal money that Ed Ball's wasted on education; mind boggling.

 

Please do not misunderstand my word's, the people on the ground deserve to be paid well (they are not) but not the, so called manager's

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Unbelievable. Tories in power for less than half an hour and already a Scottish family is unemployed and homeless. :D :D :D

 

Ah, but there's the thing, he isn't unemployed, he only stepped down as leader and not as an MP, so if he is too pig headed to sit on the opposition benches, he will still be paid.

 

If he don't show up I think we should start a No10 petition to get him to relinquish his MP status as well or he will be no better than the chavs that stay at home and get paid.

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Ah, but there's the thing, he isn't unemployed, he only stepped down as leader and not as an MP, so if he is too pig headed to sit on the opposition benches, he will still be paid.

 

If he don't show up I think we should start a No10 petition to get him to relinquish his MP status as well or he will be no better than the chavs that stay at home and get paid.

 

I thought we had stopped talking about the royal family

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Ah, but there's the thing, he isn't unemployed, he only stepped down as leader and not as an MP, so if he is too pig headed to sit on the opposition benches, he will still be paid.

 

If he don't show up I think we should start a No10 petition to get him to relinquish his MP status as well or he will be no better than the chavs that stay at home and get paid.

 

He has stated that he will step down as an MP as well.

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So who are these 914,000 extra public sector workers that we have employed since 1997? I see Woody is online, perhaps he would like to tell us all. I for one would love to know.

 

We've seen from the graph above that there are about 175,000 extra admin. staff in the NHS, all vital and much more important in a health service than doctors and nurses I'm sure - but what about the rest?

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So who are these 914,000 extra public sector workers that we have employed since 1997? I see Woody is online, perhaps he would like to tell us all. I for one would love to know.

 

We've seen from the graph above that there are about 175,000 extra admin. staff in the NHS, all vital and much more important in a health service than doctors and nurses I'm sure - but what about the rest?

 

Well forgive me if I cant account for every job in the public sector, however I will put the ball back into your court and ask you to prove these figures that you are qouting. It has certainly not been my experience of huge overstaffing. I did read with interest a post made on here a few days ago when someone was calling for all outreach workers to be sacked, without having a clue what an outreach worker was.

 

Here is my attempt to debunk the figures.

 

The Other TaxPayers' Alliance | Right-wing think-tank demolishes public spending myth

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Ah well, we'll know soon enough from Osborne's emergency budget what's to be cut. I do suspect that a lot of jobs could go without it having the slightest effect on front line services.

 

We shall see.

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wall.gif Good start. Not.

 

Appointed to Home Secretary and Minister for Women and Equality, please make room for Ms May Theresa.

Her track record, she has voted

- against repealing section 28

- against lowering the age of consent in homosexual relationships to 16

- against gay adoption rights

- against Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill which would give homosexual couples the ability to receive fertility treatment.

 

She also refused to attend vote on Gender Recognition Act that allows transsexuals to change their legal gender.

 

*sigh* :-(

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She's a f'ing bigot.

Shh... look at what trouble saying that got Gordon Brown in!!!

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