Provisional license no longer valid as I.D..

[deathbycrayons]

My husband, who's 26, tried to buy alcohol today in Spar, and when he was I.D'd he showed them his provisional driving license and they wouldn't accept it. They said there's a new law that says you can't use a provisional license as I.D. Since when??

[maroondevo52]

New laws introduced in September means a provisional licence is no longer a valid form of ID.

 

So I read

[2ltr16valve]

My husband, who's 26, tried to buy alcohol today in Spar, and when he was I.D'd he showed them his provisional driving license and they wouldn't accept it. They said there's a new law that says you can't use a provisional license as I.D. Since when??

 

 

I really dont understand this, its the same as a full licence if its a photocard one ! its a "licence" just not a "full entitlement" licence.

 

Unless its down to the amount of Fake ones in circ ! (there are sites that offer exact fakes for "non official use" etc)

[deathbycrayons]

Apparently according to the guy behind the till (I went back myself as I DO have a full licence, and I asked him about it) full ones have a hologfram that can't be forged..

[Mossycat]

I really dont understand this, its the same as a full licence if its a photocard one ! its a "licence" just not a "full entitlement" licence.

 

Unless its down to the amount of Fake ones in circ ! (there are sites that offer exact fakes for "non official use" etc)

 

Call me a cynic but The Government are trying to introduce ID cards, is it just coincidence that when they downgraded them from compulsory to voluntary they also changed a lot of what is acceptable as proof of ID?

 

Mossy

[2ltr16valve]

Call me a cynic but The Government are trying to introduce ID cards, is it just coincidence that when they downgraded them from compulsory to voluntary they also changed a lot of what is acceptable as proof of ID?

 

Mossy

 

 

Now you raise that Mossy, makes sense to me ! Remove what people currently use, to swade them towards what they puppet masters want !

[Mossycat]

Now you raise that Mossy, makes sense to me ! Remove what people currently use, to swade them towards what they puppet masters want !

 

And have you also noticed the number of products that ID is required before you can buy has risen as well

 

Like I said call me a cynic but I think this is compulsion by the back door

 

Mossy

[ErikaPNP]

What a store must accept as valid ID for the sale of alcohol is not set down in law, not insofar as the licensing act is concerned. The Licensing acts merely state what documents could be used in defence, in the event a person is charged with the sale of alcohol to a minor. The 2003 act states:

(1) A person commits an offence if he sells alcohol to an individual aged under 18.

(2) A club commits an offence if alcohol is supplied by it or on its behalf—

(a) to, or to the order of, a member of the club who is aged under 18, or

(b) to the order of a member of the club, to an individual who is aged under 18.

(3) A person commits an offence if he supplies alcohol on behalf of a club—

(a) to, or to the order of, a member of the club who is aged under 18, or

(b) to the order of a member of the club, to an individual who is aged under 18.

(4) Where a person is charged with an offence under this section by reason of his own conduct it is a defence that—

(a) he believed that the individual was aged 18 or over, and

(b) either—

(i) he had taken all reasonable steps to establish the individual’s age, or

(ii) nobody could reasonably have suspected from the individual’s appearance that he was aged under 18.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), a person is treated as having taken all reasonable steps to establish an individual’s age if—

(a) he asked the individual for evidence of his age, and

(b) the evidence would have convinced a reasonable person.

The Licencing (Scotland) Act 2005 states:

Sale of alcohol to a child or young person

 

(1) A person who sells alcohol to a child or a young person commits an offence.

(2) It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) (referred to in this section as “the accused”) to show that—

(a) the accused believed the child or young person to be aged 18 or over, and

(b) either—

(i) the accused had taken reasonable steps to establish the child’s or young person’s age, or

(ii) no reasonable person could have suspected from the child’s or young person’s appearance that the child or young person was aged under 18.

(3) For the purposes of subsection (2)(b)(i), the accused is to be treated as having taken reasonable steps to establish the child’s or young person’s age if and only if—

(a) the accused was shown any of the documents mentioned in subsection (4), and

(b) that document would have convinced a reasonable person.

(4) The documents referred to in subsection (3)(a) are any document bearing to be—

(a) a passport,

(b) a European Union photocard driving licence, or

© such other document, or a document of such other description, as may be prescribed.

I know a great many places don't accept the provisional driving license as proof of ID. I don't know why, but if they state that a "new law has been introduced" I'd call their bluff and ask what law this is. Perhaps there is a policy but I haven't heard of a law - these sorts of things pertaining to the sale of alcohol are usually well publicised.

 

Although that wouldn't change anything as stores are not obliged to sell anyone anything. I'd be interested if there is a new law....I can't find anything and I've done a search of all laws introduced in 2009 (there are 3,399 SI's alone introduced this year! ) and can't find anything about a new law pertaining to the validity of ID.

[maroondevo52]

d.

 

I'd be interested if there is a new law....I can't find anything and I've done a search of all laws introduced in 2009 (there are 3,399 SI's alone introduced this year! ) and can't find anything about a new law pertaining to the validity of ID.

 

So what your saying is, I'm talking garbage, again

 

I could'nt find it either, Erika. Can't remember where I read it

 

It's an age thing

[ErikaPNP]

So what your saying is, I'm talking garbage, again

 

I could'nt find it either, Erika. Can't remember where I read it

 

It's an age thing

 

Nah, you're not talking garbage ya great big daftie! I read it too. Someone posted it on an internet site which asked the same question DBC asked, but the responder didn't link to any legislation to back it up. Someone also said on another internet site that the Licensing Act 2003 outlawed provisionals as a valid form of ID. But it doesn't stipulate any such thing. It doesn't mention provisionals at all. That's why I did a search of all introductions in 2009, in case there was an amendment but couldn't find one in regard to this.

[postggj]

erica

 

can you give a link where i can view these new laws that no one gets to know about

[ErikaPNP]

erica

 

can you give a link where i can view these new laws that no one gets to know about

 

Yep if you go to the OoPSI website, and use the links on the left hand side of the page. If you are looking for a particular piece of legislation and know the same of the Act or SI and what year it was made (not the year it gained Royal Assent), sometimes it's quicker to use the search box on the right hand side.

[mightymouse_69]

Postggj:

 

Acts of the UK Parliament

 

Some bed time reading!!

[mightymouse_69]

Erika beat me!

 

If anyone out there is really really interested in acts etc, then there is a service (subscription im afraid) called Halsbury's laws of england. Its lists all Acts and statutory instruments and gives a detailed breakdown of them, including examples of how the courts have applied each section etc etc.