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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business CEntre Name of the Claimant ? Lowell Portfolio i Ltd How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue –  15 Feb 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The claim is for the sum of £922 due by the Defendant under and agreement regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 for a Capital One account with an account reference of [number with 16 digits] The Defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a Default Notice was served under s.87(1) of the Consumer Credit ACt 1974 which has not been complied with. The debt was legally assigned to the claimant on 16-06-23, notice of which has been given to the defendant. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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As for the question 'Why couldn't it be posted'? I suspect it's because they left it too late, the papers had to be in 14 days before the set hearing date.

 

If they had stuck to the deadlines previously I might be convinced that is the motivation, the fact that there have been several other "anonymous" visits makes me think this visit has got absolutely nothing to do with delivery bundles.

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If they had stuck to the deadlines previously I might be convinced that is the motivation, the fact that there have been several other "anonymous" visits makes me think this visit has got absolutely nothing to do with delivery bundles.

 

Are we on the same wavelength here natalie? Lyons-Davidson drop Fred the sec 36 offer then intimidate him with a personal visit which happens to include an outrageous breakdown of included costs, maybe contrived to make him think a little deeper about taking up their extraordinarily generous offer?

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I've been following this thread for ages and now have to add my admiration for Fred and those helping him. I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover these latest tactics are an attempt to intimidate because I've been there myself with a claim against a County Council. You tell yourself it's nothing and you're being paranoid until the day they send through the 'reports' and witness statements. Oh yes, in my case they'd been knocking on doors and talking to my neighbours trying to dig some dirt - any dirt.

 

I was horrified but my solicitor was not in the least surprised. It seems this sort of behaviour is now normal practice. I hope Fred sticks it to them big time. Organisations with large amounts of other people's money seem to think they can do as they please and they know most people will give in. I'm delighted to see someone standing up to the bullies, I know how hard it is.

 

Costs - mine were in excess of £180k by the time they'd forced it to the High Court and then given in on lunchtime of the second day. I have no idea what theirs were but all that public money wasted because of arrogant bullies.

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Costs - mine were in excess of £180k

 

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A tad relieved :) Holding your nerve is not easy even though you know you're in the right. I know that unlike Fred, it was my case and so could have stopped at any time in theory but actually you can't because you can't afford to. I still smile when I hear the song 'I get knocked down but I get up again' as my daughter would put it on in the car every time we had to go to CMCs and the like. We sing along, tunelessly but very loudly and be ready for battle when we arrived. Silly but it worked.

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Well done hightail and thankyou for your good wishes and inspiring story.

We'll have to try that song. I can definitely do the tunelessly bit, don't know about Fred's singing skills though:D

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Are we on the same wavelength here natalie? drop Fred the sec 36 offer then intimidate him with a personal visit which happens to include an outrageous breakdown of included costs, maybe contrived to make him think a little deeper about taking up their extraordinarily generous offer?

 

 

Well that was pretty much my train of thought and I dont have the extra insight into things that you do. They dont exactly have much subtlety do they.

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Okay Patma I've had a good read through those documents and I've sent you a wishlist.

 

Basically very little indeed we didn't already know padded out with lots of superfluous letters which actually add nothing whatsoever to their case.:-|

 

 

Very pleased to see they have persisted in filing certain documents, struggle to see how that's a wise move but they probably had done this before the latest Court Order landed. I'll print the lot off, annotate them with my special Sharpie and then rescan them for you ready for Fred to take to the hearing.

 

There are two glaring omissions but I think you and I know the reason.:rolleyes:

 

We'll keep any legal points specifically relating to this bundle off thread from now on we wouldn't want to spoil the surprise on the 2nd Sep for anyone would we?

 

I know you've had a long day so don't think this is an urgent job but some time it would be interesting to know if the doc numbers and the number of pages indexed correspond or whether certain pages might have been withdrawn late on.

 

 

I can see what they're trying to do but there's a valid defence and if Fred can get the caution expunged then there's no case to answer based on the POC and the bundle.

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Patma.

 

 

I think I'm on to something. Blindingly obvious potential casebuster.

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Do I remember correctly that PCAD are on a no-win, no-fee contract?

So, if LD loses the case, they have to eat those costs themselves?

 

All bar the first eighty quid. :D:D

 

Mind you there's still time for it to get a whole lot more expensive for them yet. I understand the regular firm of solicitors PCAD employ are pretty good.

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Mind you there's still time for it to get a whole lot more expensive for them yet. I understand the regular firm of solicitors PCAD employ are pretty good.

 

That sounds ominous for LD. Mind you, it is a dog-eat-dog world we live in. :)

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That sounds ominous for LD. Mind you, it is a dog-eat-dog world we live in. :)

 

If what I've seen can be confirmed tomorrow then it's game over bar the counterclaim.

 

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Were not LD appointed by R&SA on a conditional fee arrangement rather than by PCAD themselves?

 

According to their web site, LD specialize in acting for insurance companies and incidently have a vacancy for a Paralegal at their Plymouth office!

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Were not LD appointed by R&SA on a conditional fee arrangement rather than by PCAD themselves?

 

According to their web site, LD specialize in acting for insurance companies and incidently have a vacancy for a Paralegal at their Plymouth office!

 

 

Yes PCAD actually use a completely different firm when they sue people.

 

There is nothing I can say to the second part of your post because I'm thinking back to the jobcentre link and laughing too much......

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I understand the regular firm of solicitors PCAD employ are pretty good.

So it isn't Lyons Davidson that Plymouth College of Art normally use. I'd be interested in learning, in the fullness of time, why they're handling this case then. I suspect that the answer to that could also answer another of the things that puzzles me: Why has this raised its ugly head again now after nearly four years of nothing.

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