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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Cor blimey! They like to pass the accounts around dont they!

 

Im about to go down this road too having had a HFC marbles account be bought by Halifax. HFC provided an app form with no prescribed terms and I was in middle of complaints what the account went to Halifax.

 

Havnt paid anything to Halifax as a/c was in dispute when it was transferred so I think its about 6 months now.

 

Im sure it will go out to DCA's anytime.

 

SAR is due by tomorrow too.

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Hi underdog13 & joneseyblod!

 

How are you guys getting on? Hopefully you've been invigorated by the improved weather! :cool:

 

It's like pass the parcel (or 'poisoned chalice' if you're a DCA)!

 

I've never been so 'bemused'....! ;)

 

It'll be interesting to see who they pull out of the hat next.

 

Don't know about you guys, but I actually felt better when it was passed out to the DCAs - they're sooo incompetent! It's been a real confidence booster witnessing these clowns abandoning their fruitless quests and scurrying for cover! Should I be worried and seek 'professional help'....! :D

 

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Hiya Ftc,

 

the DCAs love the old pass the parcel game, too. I had contact from 3 different firms for the same account in a matter of a few weeks.

 

Bog off letters are flying out at a rate of knots - I'm beginning to get a collection of my own template letters now:rolleyes:

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Hi underdog13,

 

Good to hear from you! Careful, you might end up with repetitive strain injury!:D I too have a nice 'weighty' file of letters and responses. I never really considered myself a 'letter writer' but know my fingers literally start to twitch everytime I spy a DCA looking envelope...!;)

 

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I've also now been contacted by IQOR

(the new name for Legal & Trade)

 

The address on their letters is:

33-34 Winckley square

Preston

PR1 3EL

 

Their postal address is shambolic, and anybody trying to send recorded letters to them will often be told by the Post Office that it doesn't exist (?).

 

However, if you persist, then it will get to them.

(The Post Office clerk will just need to enter the address manually).

 

I've now had a response to a couple of formal complaints letters I sent, and been given the following contact details:

 

It appears that their "Complaints Coordinator" is a lady called:

 

Susan Myerscough

 

So address any communications for her direct attention, and lets make her work for her salary !

 

The email for the complaints dept is: [email protected]

 

 

Her direct phone number is: 01772 832002

 

Always best not to call these people if you can avoid it, and try to keep all communication in writing for your own records, and also to avoid being coerced over the phone into saying or agreeing to something you may later regret.

If you do feel you need to talk to them on the phone, or if your actually being persistently called by them, ask to speak to only this person directly, and....

REMEMBER TO RECORD ANY PHONE CALLS, AND INFORM THEM YOU ARE DOING SO.

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...just because something's in print doesn't mean its true.... just look at you Banks T&C's for example !

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Hi underdog13,

 

Good to hear from you! Careful, you might end up with repetitive strain injury!:D I too have a nice 'weighty' file of letters and responses. I never really considered myself a 'letter writer' but know my fingers literally start to twitch everytime I spy a DCA looking envelope...!;)

 

ftc.

 

Yep, defo in danger of repetitive strain injury - wonder if I can sue them for damages if I do develop it?;)

 

I know what you mean about building up a file of letters; it's got to the stage where I have my own template letters that I tweak slightly to suit and send off to one after the other.

 

At least my templates make some sense and are actually relevant - unlike theirs:D

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Hi everyone!

 

Sorry for the radio silence.

 

Just a quick update - Iqor never bothered to follow up.... (shock, horror)!!!

 

Have now received a lovely threatogram from Moorcroft - with 'intended litigation' not only written in bold BUT underlined too (ooohhh!). :rolleyes:

 

So it's another quick trip to the post office to fire off my 'bemused' letter.

 

As ever, I'll let you know the outcome! ;)

 

ftc.

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Good morning all!

 

Another quick update - Moorcroft have 'yellow enveloped' me! They have chosen to ignore my 'bemused' letter and responded with yet another letter from their 'pre-court division'. Only now they've put 'notice of intended litigation' not only in red and bold, but they've added a surrounding box....!:eek:

 

Moorcroft's letter is dated 29/06/09 but actually arrived on 04/07/09. They've now added Solicitor's costs (£100), Court fees (£240), Solicitor's costs for entering judgement by default (£35). This is how much my debt 'may' increase by.

 

They've kindly given me until today to pay the full amount - hold on, I'll just go and get my cheque book......:rolleyes:

 

My 'bemused' letter was sent by recorded delivery, but proof of postage isn't showing on the post office website yet.

 

Any advice on what my next move should be? :confused:

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Hi everyone!

 

I've had another love letter from Moorcroft...:eek:

 

In their letter they say that they have contacted Halifax who have advised them that they have complied with the Consumer Credit Act and therefore no dispute is outstanding and the balance of £****.** is correct and payable.

 

They have kindly given me until the end of the week to pay up.

 

Has this happened to anyone else? Could someone please advise me on how to respond?

 

BIG THANKS IN ADVANCE.

ftc

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Hi ftc,

 

you can accept the praise - you gained the knowledge and applied it to your advantage, so well done you:)

 

My fight's going round and round in ever decreasing circles, with numpty creds claiming the earth is flat 'cos they say it is, etc, etc;)

 

Not really got any further, but holding them at bay so far (touch wood:D)

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FTC..

 

Well done, i've just read the thread through, and watched as i have with many posters, and love the transformation people make, from lost, bewildered, stressed individuals, into people, wll up for the fight, almost welcoming the mail in the morning.. :)

 

Notice the "radio silence" comments......

 

Weren't a squaddie in a previous life were you..... :)

 

 

Steve.

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Thank you scouse12345!

 

Definitely feels like I am at war with the dcas! :) I notice you have a wee battle of your own going on - follow the excellent advice that you'll receive on this site and you'll emerge victorious!

 

CAG has to be the best antidepressant on the market! I too love reading through other Caggers' threads and witnessing their transformations. I can't stop plugging the site to my family and friends - someone mentions debt, I shout CAG!!! I also have to say that I find some Caggers' threads and comments so entertaining and funny!

 

I'm no longer afraid of the big, bad wolf! I realise now that he's just full of hot air.... I have no problem opening my statements now as I know that I'll have advice and support from all you guys!:D

 

ftc

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Hi everyone!

 

Finally got hold of 'the' letter - only to find that it's not from Moorcroft after all!!!:oops:

 

It's from my dear 'friend' Susan at iQor!!! I can't understand why she would bother to write to little ole me after the account has already been passed to Moorcroft.

 

Anyway, I promised I'd post a copy - so here it is....:)iQor letter.pdf

 

So, I'm still waiting to hear from Moorcroft :sad:

 

ftc

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So Moorcroft haven't bothered to respond.....BUT Wescot have decided to send me another threatogram :confused:!!!

 

Why have Westcot decided to wade in again after all these months? They never bothered responding to my earlier bemused letter, instead they handed over to Iqor, who handed over to Moorcroft, who it appears to have passed the parcel back to Westcot!!!

 

Any advice on what my next move should be?

 

ftc

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Hi underdog13!

 

Well they do say keep your friends close but your enemies closer.....!

But threatening to turn up on my doorstep for a little one-to-one time is a little too close imho!

 

Wonder who will be the next candidate to join da 'dca crew'! :D

 

Keep up the good work topdog!

 

ftc

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