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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I'm sorry for hijacking your thread Stonelaughter.

 

I have spent the last hour researching the problem and have come up with the following answers.

 

The powers for this appear to come from the following acts

Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994

Finance Act 2002

 

The Bill of Rights Act 1689 only applies where there has been no specific act of parliament since which authorises a punishment outside of court. Both the Road Traffic Act 1991 and the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 allow for such punishments.

 

The Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1995 confers the same powers, duties and liabilities as the Commissioners of Customs and Excise and their officers on persons or bodies appointed by the secretary of state (eg the DVLA)

This means that officers of the DVLA can impose the penalties allowed in law on anyone who fails to obtain a vehicle excise license for their vehicle or fails to provide a Statutory Of Road Notice for a vehicle.

 

The £1000 penalty is in the Finance Act 2002. (level three on the standard scale)

 

I would research more but my head hurts.

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Thanks Blueskies! That's exactly what I was after... do the Acts SPECIFICALLY mention the Bill of Rights Act that you could see (i.e. to negate it)? Or do they simply state that the relevant bodies have the power to fine?

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It is a myth that it has to specifically state the bill of rights act. It just has to give a specific instruction stating who can issue the penalties. The appeals system still works via the courts (but I can't see many arguing with the computer). I Vehicle excise license is legally a duty the same as tax on beer, thus giving customs & excise powers enables enforcement.

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I my be wrong but I believe that not having a valid tax disc is not acriminal offence which is why the police usually refer it to the dept of transport

You may think that but . . ......

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It is a criminal offence but is dealt with leniently by the police and normally referred to the DVLA.

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It is now widely accepted that we have to drastically reduce our CO2 output. Taxing via fuel usage encourages people and companies to reduce consumption and the resulting co2 output.

 

I have an aqauintance who often points out that whne the shout goes up 'everyone knows this that or the other' then usually we dont know.

 

When it vcomes to global warming i have no doubt that the climate is changing. In fact i would be more surprised if it wasnt bearing in mind that very little is ever truly stable in nature, life, space, whatever you want to call it.

 

Whether the humble vehicle is the cuase is entirley a matter for debate. I have been wondering lately how much CO2 the avergae human emits per year and how it compares with the average car doing 12,000 miles per year? One dai ill be boether to work it out.

 

Personally Im not sure that mankinds influence is as great as many seem to think whether im mad or daft remains to be seen.

 

I would just remind one and all that for many years people thought the earth was the centre of the universe, at other times the majority thought the earth was flat.

 

Oh how the mighty establishement of the times took it badly when they found out it was they who had it all wrong.

 

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Glenn - there was no real evidence to support the flat earth theory. However, the rise of CO2 in the atmosphere can be readily measured and is being. The amount of CO2 being produced by each person is well known (as an average) and it needs to reduce drastically. There have been plenty of TV programs about it quite recently on mainstream channels if you bother to look for them, which have the issue well documented.

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Glenn - there was no real evidence to support the flat earth theory. However, the rise of CO2 in the atmosphere can be readily measured and is being. The amount of CO2 being produced by each person is well known (as an average) and it needs to reduce drastically. There have been plenty of TV programs about it quite recently on mainstream channels if you bother to look for them, which have the issue well documented.

 

I have to say that i disagree with you argument that there wasnt any evidence for a flat earth.

 

There was evidence that was misinterpreted as indicating a flat earth which is the point, there is a growing body of evidence that suggest CO2 emissions are not the leading cause of climate change.

 

But as one of the ealrier commentators pointed out lets go start another thread to argue about this one.

 

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well my grant money hasn't come yet, so I'm putting my car in the garage and under a SORN it's an 4 x 4 and needs an mot and tax from 1st October, I'm going to put it through an mot this week to see what it needs and then put it away. So gonna miss it, but hopefully it will only be for 1 month.

 

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Pugsley v Fashion World JD williams, 17/03 2008 Debt Managers returning file to JD williams as they could not supply the credit agreement

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Unless your not from the uk,where i work,the polish and russians have brought over cars,none are taxed,and i assume prob no insurance/mot,they seem to get away with it,the traffic wardens ignore these foreign registered cars and check mine,im ok but struggle to pay car tax,it makes my blood boil

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when i ask them why they have no tax they say in poland they dont need it(could be true) and i say what if you get caught?? "we just say we are here on holiday!!!!"cheeky,fortunately they are generally nice people and hard working,so i dont hate them,just envy!lol

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when i ask them why they have no tax they say in poland they dont need it(could be true) and i say what if you get caught?? "we just say we are here on holiday!!!!"cheeky,fortunately they are generally nice people and hard working,so i dont hate them,just envy!lol

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If you live in publicly funded housing your vehicle must still be taxed.

 

The criteria with regards to a car needing to be taxed or not is dependent on whether or not the car is being kept on the public highway. If it is parked off the highway on a private driveway then it doesn't need to be taxed, regardless of the house being publicly funded or not. It would need to be SORN'ed of course.

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Personally I think the SORN thing is a joke.

 

They ignore half of the SORNs in any case - I sorned two cars, but they had no record, so fined me £25 on each count. I refused to pay, explaining that I had sent them a letter where I had told them that both cars were off the road.

 

The next thing I heard was two summons' for court through my door.

 

Apparently, they hadn't received my letter refusing to pay either.

 

I was due to start a new job on the day of the court case, so pleaded guitly by post (as I was guilty of the offence of not paying the 2x£25), but sent a letter explaining that the 2x£25 fines should not have been imposed in the first place as I had informed the DVLA of the fact that the cars were off of the road.

 

Apparently, the courts hire similar people to handle their incoming snail mail, as they claimed (eventually) to not have received this letter either - despite it being in the same letter as my plea.

 

They fined me £520 x 2.

 

I refused to pay.

 

They had me arrested, which I managed to get overturned (the warrant) there and then.

 

They arrested me the next day.

 

I paid a tenner so I could go home.

 

I then wrote to my MP, who wrote to the DVLA who had the fines 'waived' despite the fact that he then wrote me a letter calling me a liar.

 

I said "That's not good enough" - as I had still been convicted for a crime that I had committed (then went off to join the A-Team ;-) ). This dragged on for bloody ages.

 

The court was still chasing me for unpaid fines - despite them being waived - and I had a God-awful time with coppers coming round to arrest me etc... (what a complete waste of time and money - all they had to do was to talk to each other and they could have saved a lot of agro, and a lot of police-deisal running me back and forth to the police station every time they wrongfully arrested me - 12 miles away!).

 

Anyway, to cut a long story even longer, I eventually got my tenner back from the court and a 4 page letter of apology from the DVLA (although it was more like a letter that begrudgingly said "sorry" really quickly like a child, and then 4 pages calling me a liar).

 

All because a private govt. appointed firm are useless with post, and for some reason have the right to demand that you tell them something when you are not using it. Next I suppose they'll have 17 year olds having to write to them to say "Oh, by the way, I have no intention of driving a car and therefore I don't need a licence", in much the same way as NOT owning a TV set (but don't get me started on that one - how the hell can they demand that you tell them that you HAVEN'T got a particualr possession!! Maybe I should tell them that I don't have a dog too!, in fact, I think I will, just to highlight the whole ridiculousness of it).

 

Anyway, sorry to highjack, perhaps understandably, I have a problem with the DVLA.

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I did sorn my car before, but as I couldn't fit it in the garage I decided to tax it again, I had trouble taxing it because it was on a sorn and had to do make lots of phone calls etc to sort it out. the police did pull me over but they said because the tax was within the 14 days (which isn't even any law) I was ok.

 

Putting it on a sorn seems to have caused more problems than it solved.

 

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Open & Direct Finance- extortionate, cca to Rockwell debt collection they ran away, now with Bryan Carter, no cca 17/03/08 sent back to Open

Pugsley v Littlwoods, have not received the signed credit agreement only quoting reg of 1983

Pugsley v Fashion World JD williams, 17/03 2008 Debt Managers returning file to JD williams as they could not supply the credit agreement

Capital one MCOL Settled in full

Smile lba settled in full

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Shouldn't be a problem taxing a vehicle after it has been sorned. All you need to do is get the relevent form from the post office, fill it out, take it to the counter with a current MOT and insurance certificate and pay them. I've done it a few times over the years with no hassle at all.

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well you were lucky then, I did the forms correctly but the computer wouldn't let them process it.

 

Barclaycard Student credit card £400 partial refund received, S.A.R -

Open & Direct Finance- extortionate, cca to Rockwell debt collection they ran away, now with Bryan Carter, no cca 17/03/08 sent back to Open

Pugsley v Littlwoods, have not received the signed credit agreement only quoting reg of 1983

Pugsley v Fashion World JD williams, 17/03 2008 Debt Managers returning file to JD williams as they could not supply the credit agreement

Capital one MCOL Settled in full

Smile lba settled in full

advice is given informally and without liability and without prejudice.

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

OK, then - deep breath... I bought a car in mid-June, tax had expired end of May. Seller (who I knew) said she was still waiting for registration doc from her purchase in March. Long and short of it is, she's heard nothing, though we did both sign a letter to DVLA in July giving both our addresses and explaining when I bought it, and that I couldn't use it until the reg. was sorted out.

So - I'm continuing to use a car with a May disc in the windscreen, and expecting avery morning to see it clamped, ready for crushing. I'm careful not to park it in town etc. and I'M PANICKING. I can't tax it without the V5 and if I use a V62 and pay £19 to register it, I'll then get the fine for the last 4 months without RFL. I don't even know who it's registered to at the moment.

Time to take head out of sand and deal with this - any advice, please...

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You need to write or call the DVLA. Using a vehicle without a road fund licence will also mean your car is not covered by the insurance. There are cameras in most towns now which can scan every windscreen and number plate,which has a direct feed to the DVLA.If your caught it could be a heavy fine.I would recommend that you do not use the vehicle anymore until this is sorted out.

 

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But surely by now someone who's registered as the owner will have had communication from DVLA re. unlicensed vehicle, and it's not my friend. Does a straightforward letter to DVLA (rather than a V-whatever) carry any weight? I'm tempted to use a V62 and claim to have just now bought the car; they had my address from the letter, and nothing's happened to date. I don't think the V62 requires you to say who it was acquired from.

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What you are suggesting amounts to fraud.

 

You need to contact the DVLA and explain the situation to them.

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You need to write or call the DVLA. Using a vehicle without a road fund licence will also mean your car is not covered by the insurance.

 

Not having (or displaying) valid VED has no affect whatsoever on the insurance.

 

If you drive and untaxed and unMoT'd car to an MoT appointment (which you may legally do) are you automtically uninsured - I think not.

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