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    • Hello!  First timer on here, discovered this amazing site and threads on debt issues only yesterday. After never having a bad debt in my life, almost 2.5 years ago I was scammed by my now-ex partner who calculatingly manipulated me into taking out a bounceback loan, 2 personal loans and a credit card.  He took all the money via ruthless deception, every penny, as well as the car (bought with unsecured personal loan) and all my furniture, personal belongings and even most of my clothes as well.  I'd packed up my life to move to another part of the country with him, only to discover he'd scammed me and been clever about it, so he directed the removal truck to a location unknown to me (never saw my stuff again!), and car is registered into someone else's name.  All this happened abroad.  I have won a criminal case against him abroad and he has been given a custodial sentence (which he is appealing while on bail), but it is difficult to get financial reparation so I am left with over £40k of debt to my name in the UK.    I am in my mid-50s, and have no assets whatsoever, I still live abroad (renting) and cannot afford to return to live in the UK due to the debts and decreasing income. It's been devastating and I've been struggling enormously since it happened (Jan 2022).  I have been suicidal at times. I was making combined loan/cc payments of £1300 monthly for over two years, but I'm self-employed (sole trader) and my UK-based small business has suffered 70% loss of income since Oct 2023 due to changes affecting government funding for the market I provide services to.  My income is commission-based, and has reduced to an average of £1200 per month. As I currently live abroad (outside EEU), I am not resident in the UK for tax purposes and haven't been for more than 3 years (my work is done remotely outside the UK, even though my clients are in the UK and payment is received into my UK bank account).  That means I am not entitled to an IVA or bankruptcy options.  My only option in terms of a debt repayment solution is a DMP. I maintain a UK correspondence address (my mother's home) and use this for my bank account, loans, credit cards etc.  I have only informed HSBC (bank acc) and one loan company that I moved abroad and that the UK address is only a correspondence address (been scared of potential consequences of informing them, even though I don't know what they could be or if there would be any). My worst fear is being taken to court, bankruptcy, etc, and my bank account and income being controlled and all surplus income above basic needs being taken etc, when I literally have almost nothing in life at this stage and desperately want to try to rebuild my life somehow and have some normality again.  Perhaps even move back to the UK if I can afford to. I've contacted all my creditors except cc (it's an HSBC card so am concerned it would affect my bank account with them.  I also bank abroad with HSBC and have global-linked accounts with them).  All interest has been stopped on my loans since April (period of 4 months on two loans, 6 months on bounceback loan with Pay As You Grow option agreed).  Continued so far to pay at least minimum payment on HSBC credit card.  I spoke to PayPlan yesterday and they've worked out a DMP paying £289.50 per month for 11 yrs 7 months, with annual reviews - not signed up to it yet, and concerned about customer reviews I've read about them demanding double payments a year or so down the line and not making payments to the creditors for long periods, etc.  Frightens the life out of me trusting them with the limited money I have - I don't want to go out of the frying pan into the fire in terms of stress that could last years, going by some of the horror story reviews. 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At this early stage, I know I will benefit from advice here about what route to go down and pros & cons/risks etc of: a) DMP with PayPlan b) DIY DMP c) Going down the default route in hope of debts being sold to DCA and not paying anything further with result that it is all SB-ed after 6 years. Struggling to pay off the loans for the next 11 years @ £289.50 seems daunting and such a long time, when I really need every penny to restart my life, regain some dignity, restore my mental health etc... I hope someone here help me make the right decision at this point, before I've committed to anything or have paid lots of money for years with little dent into the loans.... Details : HSBC Bounceback Loan (unsecured):  taken Dec 2021, original amount £9000, 2.5%.  Currently owe £4950.  Monthly payment:  £159.  Not missed any payments, but agreed PAYG option in April - full holiday for 6 mths, restart payments at £73.00 in October, term extended to 2030. TSB personal Loan (unsecured) - taken Aug 2021, original amount £23,000, 9.2%.  Monthly payment £475.  Currently owe £14,550.  Missed 2 payments. Interest stopped since April, no payments offered or made.  Situation to be reviewed prior to default - which will be after 4 missed payments). Sainsburys personal Loan (unsecured) - taken Jan 2022, original amount £25,000, 8.6%.  Monthly payment £514.  Currently owe £14000.  Missed 2 payments.  Interest stopped since April, made 1 payment of £50.00 on 7 May (offered to pay £50/month until situation reviewed prior to default - which will be after 4 missed payments). HSBC credit card APR 18.9% - £6900 currently owing, continuing to pay at least minimum payment (£180/month), not contacted them so far. Applied for Starling bank account, as advised by PayPlan to have a separate a/c from my HSBC one as they would have the right to take money from my account to pay off my HSBC cc debt if I stopped paying that. 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Sorry all, iv managed to post that three times!! I need to delete two of them! How?

 

 

Its ok I have reported to the site team with the "!" button. They will sort it :)

 

BH are a bunch of clowns lol Even their head office are jokers.

 

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Hello again......!

 

Just to add to my story above, when I have just checked my B.H contract, I realised I had'nt even signed it!! Thats how quick and eager these idiots were in getting me to sign for up for my couch, they were'nt bothered if iv signed my half or not LOL :D

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Hello again......!

 

Just to add to my story above, when I have just checked my B.H contract, I realised I had'nt even signed it!! Thats how quick and eager these idiots were in getting me to sign for up for my couch, they were'nt bothered if iv signed my half or not LOL :D

 

 

 

Well, if you haven`t signed it then you don`t owe anything :D

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:-x Brighthouse make me so angry. I have a mobile phone with them and told them I will pay fortnightly. They DO NOT leave me alone. They have discussed my account on the doorstep with my sons baby sitter. They have also rang my boss who is not one of my contacts.

I feel as though I am being bullied and harrassed by these people. Any advice would be greatly received.

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:-x Brighthouse make me so angry. I have a mobile phone with them and told them I will pay fortnightly. They DO NOT leave me alone. They have discussed my account on the doorstep with my sons baby sitter. They have also rang my boss who is not one of my contacts.

I feel as though I am being bullied and harrassed by these people. Any advice would be greatly received.

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Speak to these knob jockeys EXACTLY how you seem fit. What exactly are they going to do?

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If you have paid over a third or more of the agreement, the goods are yours, it says so it their own ripp-off agreement.

 

No it does NOT!

 

If you have paid more than one third of your agreement, the goods become "protected" goods, and cannot be repossed without a court order. They do NOT become yours!

 

This is ill-informed and completely incorrect advice.

 

 

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hi iv been wid them (bh) for like 2 years now an on my fist agreement i sed i dont want(osc) i was told i hade to take out ther (osc) to obtain credit so i did. now cos ov this site i no it is ''optional'' so if i got home home contents insurance can i go in whith that on the payment date an a letter telling them i wanna cancel (osc) with a 7 day notice letter. do thay really take(osc)off. an i wanting people that have hade it taken off ther accounts to let me no an what bank will cover it cos ther is a lot ov talk an no saying about what banks will cover it so if all this i true people need to no the facts to help them like me

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Hi guys, ive been reading this site for the past 2 hours because I have a problem with BH regarding OSC & DLC and I must say that this site has been sooooo helpful and informative in assisting my case. Never before have I been so gratious with the amount of legal info and answers.

 

I am going into BH 2moz to hand them a letter (found on this site) to take off my DLC as I am fed up with trying to prove to them that my home insurance is sufficient enough.

 

Im still curious as to my legal right with OSC....I have to make a payment 2moz, now, if I choose NOT to pay my OSC and just pay for the product and the DLC (until I send off the legally binding letter asking for removal of said DLC) will I be breaking any contractual agreement by not paying the OSC??

 

It doesnt matter if I have to pay it as its only a couple of quid (and its going to be the last time anyway coz im sending the letter out 2moz) I just begrudge giving them more money than im legally supposed to lol.

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No it does NOT!

 

If you have paid more than one third of your agreement, the goods become "protected" goods, and cannot be repossed without a court order. They do NOT become yours!

 

This is ill-informed and completely incorrect advice.

 

 

Cheers

Lefty

 

 

Hi all,

 

I`d just like to appologise for my incorrect remark - I read the BH CCA, but must have been thinking of something totaly different when at the time.

 

Sorry gang :(

 

 

 

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top group,wonder how many of the bh employee,s read any of this,im at the stage now of getting txt messages of them now,to which i reply any correspondence shall be in writing,to which they did not respond..lefty u have been a great help and id like to thank you and everyone else who has pointed people in the right direction on this group..may you all have a great christmas,and to those worrying about brighthouse...dont they are not worth the worry..high street cowboys,and if you stand your ground,they do back off..merry christmas to you all,and thanks once again:)

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SUCCESS!!!

 

I got the OSC & DLC removed from my contract and furthermore had a great sense of victory as I looked into the eyes of the manager as I signed the new agreement...you could tell he was quite bitter with the event as he knew I was well educated on the law (thanks to this site) and legally couldnt do niff about it!!

 

Victory has never tasted sweeter!!

 

In your face sh*tehouse....lol

 

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hi, i was just reading all the post,s and i, glad i did now as when i began with bright house i had house insurance and they told me that i could not have the tv unless i took out there cover they even phoned my insurance to ask them if they cover hp they did not so i took there cover and cancelled my house insurance as i could not afford the both i feel like i was bullied into sighnin for the cover, also i have missed a couple of weeks payments due to christmas i have ad them ringin everyday comin to my house wantin to take these items back witch i have nearly payed for been payin since sep 2007 a cooker, tv and dryer i feel like i been payin for ever, why do they pester when i pay the late fees, so is the cover optinal can i write in and cancell?

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Hi Niceone1970,

 

You asked a few questions in your two posts and, although I know you've been discussing with others, I'd like to jump in and help if I can.

 

hi, i was just reading all the post,s and i, glad i did now as when i began with bright house i had house insurance and they told me that i could not have the tv unless i took out there cover they even phoned my insurance to ask them if they cover hp they did not so i took there cover and cancelled my house insurance as i could not afford the both i feel like i was bullied into sighnin for the cover, also i have missed a couple of weeks payments due to christmas i have ad them ringin everyday comin to my house wantin to take these items back witch i have nearly payed for been payin since sep 2007 a cooker, tv and dryer i feel like i been payin for ever, why do they pester when i pay the late fees, so is the cover optinal can i write in and cancell?
Ok, just to reiterate, there are the TWO seperate insurances offered on a Brighthouse Credit Agreement - Optional Service Cover (OSC) and Damage Liability Cover (DLC).

 

OSC, despite anything that is said in store, can be removed at ANY time. The best way to do it is by using the template that is used a lot on this forum:

 

Item Description/Account Number XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

Dear Sir

 

I am writing to give the required 7 days notice, as detailed in my agreement(s) that I wish to cancel all "optional" service cover on the above product(s). To simplify matters, I have today (date) presented a copy of this letter to the store manager of Brighthouse (Branch), which has been duly acknowledged, so 7 days notice shall commence at the date of this letter.

 

As stated in my agreement:

 

“Your Obligations: Optional Service Cover

Section C (b) The service cover premium is renewable each time your regular instalment is due under the agreement. If the premium is not paid Service Cover will lapse.

 

Section H (3) This policy shall continue in force until you give seven days notice…”

 

I shall, therefore, be making my next payment on (day) at Brighthouse (branch). This payment will not include "optional" service cover.

 

I understand that I may be required to sign a revised agreement. I will only do this on the firm understanding that all payments made previously on this agreement are reflected in any revised agreement. I do not waive any of my rights under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 regarding, in particular, “early settlement” and “repossession” as set out in section J of the original agreement.

 

Kind Regards

You

My advice would be to send that, RECORDED DELIVERY, to both your store and to Head Office.

 

As for DLC, this is the part that can be covered by your Home Insurance. My advice as far as your situation regarding that would be to put in writing, once again, to the Store Manager and to Head Office that you have your own Home Insurance and you wish to have the DLC removed forthwith. Regardless of any phone call made by a store member, contacting Head Office may well get movement on this for you.

 

 

so the goods are not ours after we have paid a 3rd mate.
Under a Brighthouse agreement, the goods are not yours until the FULL term of the agreement has been paid. The "one third" you are referring to regards repossession, and is termed as follows:

 

"REPOSSESSION: YOUR RIGHTS

 

If you do not keep up your side of this agreement but you have paid at least one third of the total amount payable under this agreement, that is £XXX.XX we may not take back the goods against your wishes unless we get a court order. (In Scotland we may need to get a court order at any time.) If we do take the goods without your consent or a court order, you have the right to get back any money that you have paid under this agreement."

 

Source: BrightHouse Hire Purchase Agreement, Key Information

 

I hope that has been of some help to you.

 

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thanks that was a great help, they have just been to my house demanding £176, as all togeter they say i still owe over £1000, and they said they can do me for theft can they i really need advice what to do please as i have not got the money right now cause of benefits. but i have paid well over a third. what best for me to do now i mention about payin a third they said read section 8d i not got agrements they have in there shop file.:?

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thanks that was a great help, they have just been to my house demanding £176, as all togeter they say i still owe over £1000, and they said they can do me for theft can they i really need advice what to do please as i have not got the money right now cause of benefits. but i have paid well over a third. what best for me to do now i mention about payin a third they said read section 8d i not got agrements they have in there shop file.:?

 

Hmm, interesting.

 

Section 8d of the Terms And Conditions For Brighthouse Hire Purchase Agreement states the following:

 

(d) ACCESS - You must allow our Technicians and authorised employees and agents access to the Goods at all reasonable times for the purpose of repair, adjustment, inspection or removal.

 

However, and perhaps Lefty could jump in here if he knows more of the Law than I do, but I believe BH are on dodgy ground legally enforcing this. They are NOT bailiffs, and do not employ bailiffs as far as I am aware.

 

I will email him and see if he can shed some on this as well.

 

Eagle Eyed

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I`m of the understanding only a Court can enforce such an entry, using registered Bailiffs? Not any old bozzo from your local ****ehouse store.

 

Of course, there are also Police officers with a warrant.

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they just posted a card sayin they came to collect goods but i was not in lol i was in told them i could not pay and now and they said if i don,t give them the goods they were goin to do me for theift.

 

I do also need to add the following, and I'm afraid it may not be what you want to here.

 

Please remember, you have signed a legally binding contract, and have agreed to pay weekly payments for the goods you are purchasing. Arguments can be made on OSC, DLC, late fees, and the tactics used by BH, but you HAVE signed for this item, so they are entitled to the payments due. Hiding from it completely, I am sorry to say, will not resolve the matter.

 

Sorry if that's not exactly what you're looking for.

 

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