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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
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I have wasted alot of tea and cake waiting for these type of "people" to arrive.

It is highly unlikely that anyone will turn up.

If they do simply tell them to leave and communicate in writing ONLY.

 

As and when the attached DCA writes to you update us and we'll help.

Be VERY careful whose advice you listen too

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I got a letter from them which was utter cock and they reckon they will charge £22.66 for it. Obviously, letter straight back to them telling them basically the second word is off and to Halifax who instructed them to also tell them the second word is off ...... just another episode in the mind games, which I am winning !!! yay !!!

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When you write back to a letter which states they are charging you enclose a bill for secretarial/legal services and ask them for immediate payment.... should raise a few eyebrows their end. After all you too have overheads and costs involved.....

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Power2contact are part of the Crucible Group - also includes Credit Solutions (in my view the biggest bunch of a***holes in the DCA industry - and of course they've got some serious competition :) ). Their motto is 'building stronger customer relations' - ha, ha, ha....

 

Certainly I'd ignore them, hedgehog.

WOOLWICH -S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 03/03/07 :cool:

LBA sent for non-compliance with Data Protection Act 28/04/07 :mad:

 

ABBEY - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 03/03/07 8)

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HI, I just got a lovely yellow christmas card!!!! just like you all have said the only thing is that today is 7th and the card was posted on 3rd hence he should have come 2 days ago.8)

 

Also is it just me or is the surname of the protential person the same as yours?????????:p

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I had a card fro them and i sent in a official complaint to them and the company that hired them as the card was free for anyone to read had my reference number on and was in breach of OFT rules.

 

Got a snotty letter back 8 weeks later and the DCA didn't know why they were contacted, think they are under the same roof as CSL.

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I recieved one of these little yellow cards with an appointment with a Mr J White (how original)

 

power 2 Contact are indeed under the same roof as CSL and are probably a subsiduary of the same company.

 

They rang my wife yesterday and she compained that no one had turned up for the appointment their rep said we were lucky as it was the baliffs that were coming round. Odd that considering the debt has never reached court, they must think we were all born yesterday.

 

I don't think the card contravenes the Data Protection Act but I have enquired with the Information Commissioners Office just in case. I have also reported their behaviour the the OFT although I doubt any action will be taken.

 

I have sent them a snotty letter regarding their actions and will wait now to hear back from them. They breached their own guidelines set out on their website too Credit Solutions

 

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you could do with recording the telephone calls when they are threaterning you with the baliffs. Would make a good claim for harasment.

 

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you could do with recording the telephone calls when they are threaterning you with the baliffs. Would make a good claim for harasment.

 

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Not sure I would have the equipment nor the knowledge how to record a telephone conversation, besides which isn't it illegal to do that without their permission?:confused:

 

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When they answer they tell you they are recording the conversation for training purposes - tell them in return you are recording the conversation - it ISNT illegal to do that provided you state it at the beginning and not halfway through.

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I have received a little yellow card today (Thursday) saying they will call on Wednesday, it doesn't say which Wednesday and it doesn't say whether it will be by phone or in person. Has anyone ever received a visit from these people?

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I have received a little yellow card today (Thursday) saying they will call on Wednesday, it doesn't say which Wednesday and it doesn't say whether it will be by phone or in person. Has anyone ever received a visit from these people?

 

No its just a fright tactic. Ignore it and write to them and tell them you will only deal by written correspondance.

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My hubby has received one of the yellow cards. The 'visit' is due tomorrow between 9am-9pm:) . J. White must be very busy on a Wednesday driving up and down the motorways. No wonder he works long hours:) .

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i received a yellow card today stating j.white would be visiting Wednesday - funny he hasn't shown up. have telephoned and apparently the have no record of me and there sister company must be dealing with it! Who is the sister company?

They never asked date of birth or address to confirm who i was! and putting a reference number on the front of card are you allowed to do that?

Does anybody know how much it actually costs to ring them?

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their sister company are Credit Solutions Limited. I have already complained to them about the cards and they say they are legal as they show no personal data. they merely send it to see if your actually at that address. Best just bin it and ignore it

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well in my eyes its harassment so i will be going to the police about it. i mean why would you just want to check that the person is still there. and in a way it is personal anybody could have rung that number pretending to be you.

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oh, and also forgot if j.white has sat nav he will be looking in the wrong place for me, as the postcode is wrong!! and sister companies are usually based in a seperate place or office!!!

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