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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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Dear All

 

I have just found this forum and I am hoping somebody can help me. I received a Parking Contravention Charge Notice from the NCP on 30 May when I was parked in a railway station car park. The charge was £100 (or £50 if I paid within 14 days).

 

I wrote to the NCP to appeal the decision on the grounds that it was a bank holiday that day and therefore I didn't realise that I had to pay. Furthermore, there was nobody in the ticket booth to ask, and the cars either side of me also did not have tickets which confirmed my assumption.

 

I have received a letter from NCP today (dated 17 June) saying that they have declined my appeal and giving me a further 14 days from the date of the letter to pay the £50, or £100 thereafter and also saying that if that £100 is not paid thereafter, they will follow a recovery process which includes passing the case to a debt collector who will seek to recover the outstnading debt on their behalf and admin costs. It also says that they reserve the right to use the courts ti reciver the charges due to them.

 

Where do I stand? I receive benefits so I don't have this sort of money readily available but also my credit rating is already quite bad and I don't want it to become worse or put a black mark against my name. Equally I do not want to go to court? Are there other options or will I just have to pay?

 

Thank you in advance.

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Just ignore it and don`t even bother to contact them as its a waste of a stamp.

 

Someone may let you know what scary letters from debt collectors and solicitors(so called) that you may get but just ignore it and smile!

 

They are private companies that cannot issue fines only invoices that are not enforceable.

 

If worried then get back on here but DON`T pay them a penny, I would rather you sent it to me!

 

So today you can celebrate the fact that you nearly got "HAD" by con artists and you found this site first!

 

By now you should have a big grin on your face

 

I too was worried about my NCP ticket but know I know and tell all the people I know about it to save them money.

 

(and I took a bit of convincing)!

 

It may follow with scary red ink on paper with scary words but that’s all they are and intended to frighten people into paying towards their big lush houses while we all work hard for a living.

Nast words like debt collector and CCJ and court and Bailiff etc.

It’s just words to scare you into paying.

It is no different to me sending you and invoice in the official looking yellow sticky thing and asking you to pay me £1000 because I don`t like the colour of you shoes!

Would you pay me! That would be nice!

Would I take you to court? Be a bit silly if I tried!

Better to send 10% to this forum for saving you a bomb!

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Ignor everything you are sent regarding this no matter who the letters are from or how scary they are. It's all bluster to scare you into paying. After a few months they will realise they are wasting their time and money and forget about you. FACT!

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Thank you everyone for your replies. I was just worried because I had given them my address and I didn't want it to come back at me on this address or on my credit rating. I won't bother to contact them anymore and I will ignore future letters.

 

Oh and if I could afford it, I would give you lot the £50 for the peace of mind you have given me! :)

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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Don't worry, even if they did decide to take a gamble in court, they would have to prove to a county court judge that your actions cost them the hundred pounds that they are claiming, plus they would have to prove that it isn't a penalty, which it clearly is.

 

If it did go to court and you lost, the most the judge would order you to pay would be the cost of a pay & display ticket for the time you were there, probably no more than a couple of quid. It's not worth their while to pursue these cases all the way, they just send the scary letters out and hope people pay up before they stumble across sites like this.

 

Just ignore them from now on and don't contact them again.

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Hey all

 

I have followed the advice and ignored the letters that I have received so far but now I have had a letter from Newlyn debt collectors saying that I need to pay £142! It is a really scary looking letter - is this something I now need to pay or can I continue to ignore? NCP might not send me to court but will Newlyn? I looked them up online and they look pretty official.

 

Thanks in advance for advice.

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Thanks for the quick response DBC. I have been following the advice from this forum but when I got this letter it has really knocked me sideways. I didn't think they would go to the extreme of instructing debt collectors and I am worried about bailiffs coming to my property.

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A debt collector is a person who writes letters or at worst phones you, they have no power you can simply ignore them,or tell them to go away! Bailiffs can not be sent by anyone except a court. So you wont be seeing them!

 

Newlyn are well known for exaggerating their powers. However they really have none at all!

 

The letters are a normal part of the chain, you may even get a reduced amount offer from them eventually!

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Or make them an offer of £0 or less and tell them to head south past beachy head!

 

Just ignore them and seriously don`t worry about it, laugh at them instead. and tell your friends.

 

I spoke to someone today who alas think they were also conned due to lack of knowledge of this site.

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The DCA letters LOOK scary - until you know how the PPCs operate and that DCAs have no powers at all.

Then to many they probably just look like pathetic begging letters from chancers trying to trick you into parting with your money.

 

Don't get scared, get angry.

Its a while since I posted this link

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/164651-problems-ppcs-face.html?highlight=problems+ppc+face

 

That article probably needs a few more 'problems' adding to it, not least VAT liability.

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I've since received another couple of letters from Newlyn which I ignored but today's one says:

 

You are formally advised that unless the payment is received within 14 days, proceedings will be initiated in the County Court where a Judgement may be obtained. The CCJ may then be enforced by a court appointed bailiff which will incur substantial costs....blah blah blah

 

Do you think that I might get a CCJ against my name? It is my understanding that these take 6 years to clear and I'm intending to buy a house next year so I don't want this to affect me. Or is this yet another threat from Newlyn that I should ignore? this has been going on for so many months, I really thought they might have given up by now.

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