walton v rbos

[paulwlton]

An email to keep up the pressure...just sent.

 

 

Dear Mr Hemsley

 

Further to our meeting of the 13 July in the House of Commons.

 

With respect, I suggest you read the correspondance attached which was recently forwarded to me by my MP John Healey - I think you'll agree the behaviour of your RBS Telford recovery centre is unconscionable and totally unacceptable.

 

It is now the 2nd August and it appears you have reneged on the agreed seven days time to respond. Furthermore, I advise that if your response is a blatent attempt to circumvent my allegations then I will press for a further meeting with Alan Dickinson and/or Stephen Hester.

 

Yours Sincerley

[rickyd]

I don't think Alan Dickinson's your man - he's head of Corporate Banking not retail. Gordon Pell is head of Retail banking operations but will be replaced by Brian Hartzer (if he hasn't already).

[paulwlton]

I don't think Alan Dickinson's your man - he's head of Corporate Banking not retail. Gordon Pell is head of Retail banking operations but will be replaced by Brian Hartzer (if he hasn't already).

 

Dickinsons's the Chief Exec (UK) isn't he, and Hester's his boss isn't he?

 

PW

[gezwee]

Here's one for anyone looking in......... as we are a very, very, very old nation; is there by any chance any legislation regarding misleading or deceiving a Rt Hon gentleman of her majestys parliament?

 

Just a thought, I pretty much have all that I want from RBS (except the new role in securitised asset management thats all over the web), 500k + bonuses, that'd get me out of a hole - lol. Just feel the need to set the cat amongst the pigeons at Bishopsgate.

 

I'm sure thats how it works, kick 'em even harder when you know you're winning

 

Thanks

 

Gez

[car2403]

Regardless of the legal situation, (which I can't answer) it isn't good politically to messing with an MP's enquiries.

 

The Courts of Politics and Public Opinion has a very different set of rules compared to the Courts of Law and Justice.

[gezwee]

Hi Chris

 

I have (already known to Paul & Sparkie) ridden my luck on their hard work to my benefit.

 

I will of course publicate all when my case is settled....... I believe if you read some of my other posts my employer, as will my wish for anonymity be understood.

 

Need some specifics if poss from site team or somebody in the know looking in.

 

Cannot be right that my local MP receives a response which is both misleading and deceitful.

 

........... RBS state, did yada yada yada on such a date but documentary evidence shows other!

 

WTF.... are our own MP's now precluded from honest responses from the helpful bank?

 

I have attempted to obviate their responses but they appear set in their ways and are resorting to template replies which I find rude and offensive.

 

I had thought perhaps I should opt for the LBA with a checklist of Y/N attached;

 

Simple (cos they are), 1. Did you, 2. Do you etc etc etc ........ wondering if anybody else has tried this approach?

 

Any help appreciated

 

Thanks gez

[rickyd]

Philip Hampton is the RBS Chairman, Stephen Hester is now CEO of the RBS Group and currently Gordon Pell is his Deputy.

 

As Gordon Pell is due to retire early next year Brian Hartzer is joining from ANZ (Australia and New Zealand banking group) and will ultimately take over as Deputy Chief Exec.

 

Alan Dickinson is CEO of the UK Corporate Banking division but is being replaced by Chris Sullivan but will remain as Chairman of Corporate Banking until he retires next year. He made headlines in May when news that he was to receive a share of the £5M bouns pot being handed to four of the bank's top execs.

 

Many of the newspaper reports incorrectly labelled Alan Dickinson as CEO of RBS when it was actually Fred Goodwin because they forgot to add "Corporate Banking Division" after his title.

[Sparkie1723]

Paul and myself are now asking for help...it appears that the reponse to Paul from Mr Hemsley is of similar content to mine.

 

WE have discussed setting up our own web site to highlight what we have discovered and the obstacles we are both still encountering can anyone assist/advise both of us how do do this, we now want maximum exposure and force our issues to the fore front of the general public both national and international.

 

sparkie

[codetyke]

Paul and myself are now asking for help...it appears that the reponse to Paul from Mr Hemsley is of similar content to mine.

 

WE have discussed setting up our own web site to highlight what we have discovered and the obstacles we are both still encountering can anyone assist/advise both of us how do do this, we now want maximum exposure and force our issues to the fore front of the general public both national and international.

 

sparkie

 

The easiest/quickest way is to set up a blog.

Have a look at this page Blogging Software - Blogging Software Providers Comparison to see what's available and then have a look to see if you think a blog would be suitable for your purposes. Even if not it should help you focus on what exactly you want your website to do.

 

PM me if you need any further advice, and I'll do what I can.

 

Tony

[gezwee]

In light of recent redtop frontpages I'd be inclined to go for a cheap story and hope the broadsheets pick it up in a few days.

 

Doesnt matter how you sell it to the press, all you need do is pique their interest - once its in their domaine they'll keep gnawing at it like a dog with a bone.

 

2 loansharks in one day......... let the press go after a third

 

You tell them 80%, by the time it goes to print it'll be 800%.

[rickyd]

I'd start with Robert Peston, the BBC guy who thinks he's Tom Cruise.

 

He loves the limelight and thinks he's a wizz on all things bank-related. You'll porbably have to let him say it was his scoop though!

[gezwee]

Theres a man up his own backside.......

 

Hows it go - I'd love to be able to understand your point of view but theres no way i could push my head that far up my arse .... lol

[rickyd]

that probably explains his strange facial expression!

 

It is me or does he look like Alexandr the owner of "Compare the Meerkat" website?

[Alphageek]

LOL @ rickyd

[gezwee]

Haha........... think we've gone off track with this

 

Mr Peston, for all his strange expressions, does carry a lot of weight with the a.p.

 

Anybody know a local rag with 'ties' to the redtops? - thats usually how a local story gets pushed to frontpage.

 

Joking aside, the loansharks will only remain in the front half of the sun for maximum of 48 hours before they move on so timing as always is important or we'll be waiting for the next story to break.

[Sparkie1723]

I have copied this from my thread...this is the way forward we think

 

sparkie

 

I have not received any further esponse for Mr Hemsley...But I have had a letter from Cobbetts informing me that all my correspondence to Mr Hemsley has been passed to them AGAIN and they tell me that Mr Hemsley nor Cobbetts will be replying to any further correspondence they will just be filed " unanswered"

 

So I have now contacted a very good friend in N.Ireland who is a free lance video cameraman, who does camera work for a TV program in N. Ireland called "SPOTLIGHT" it is similar and linked to Panorama he is coming over on Sunday morning and we are going to work on producing a video of my/our story and cases (Pauls and mine) and all my/our allegations about the RBS ...EVERYTHING ..xxxxx xxxxxxxxx, xxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xxxx..my/our full story ...evrything in the video will be backed up with a document to prove what I/we say in this video ....it will be in two parts ..we then propose to send a copy of it to all the top people in the bank the GOvt and down load it on to youtube and twitter, my friend will do all that....I/we would like to sell this video for say £5 for the two disc set ... we then could then possibly raise enough cash to take RBS on in the High Court with the best legal representation we can get.

Anyone any comments on this? ...."Good" idea or "BAD" idea??? Paul is going to feature in this video with his full story also.

The RBS will learn we will not be put off by their financial clout. Another round lost but this is only about the 6th round out of 15.

He will then present it to Spotlight and Panorama, we have to make the general tax payer aware of what the RBS have done and are still doing

 

sparkie

Edited August 6, 2009 by Sparkie1723

[gezwee]

Arghhhhh, wheres page 98 got to?

 

Don't forget to look out for the stunning 2009 Q2 results for RBS on the back of the securities bondholder buyback auctions...... woohooo, sell at 60c Q3 2008, toss the debt into the taxpayers pot and buy back the returns book at 30c...... 0 cash transactions, 0 equity, 0 assets = + 4billion sterling!

 

Debt books have/will always be far more profitable for commerce.

[jansus]

Can you not get someone to take on your cases on a pro-bono basis.

 

My worry is by publicising all the facts before hand you could be said to be prejudicing the outcome and in affect starting a trial by the media?

 

I think you have to concentrate on how this has affected you both as individuals first and concentrating on what you require as compensation - and then hopefully when you win the resulting publicity will alert others that are affected.

[paulwlton]

I have spoken with lawyers and untill i've received further instruction I won't be making public what was included in RBSs response.

 

Paul

[itsamomentintime]

I have spoken with lawyers and untill i've received further instruction I won't be making public what was included in RBSs response.

 

Paul

 

paul can you confirm if the response is good or bad for you?

[paulwlton]

paul can you confirm if the response is good or bad for you?

 

I'll update on this once I receive councel's opinion on the matter.

 

PW

[Sparkie1723]

Paul and myself have decided to hold back sending an e-mail to Hemsley, but I am going ahead with the video.........I have made another appointment to see Andrew Miller on 10th September so nothing really will be done till at least after that date........but if anyone wants a copy in advance for personal viewing just get in touch with me by PM, am also posting this on my thread.

 

sparkie

[paulwlton]

My original agreement would appear to fall under the scope of section 18 CCA 1974, ie: the PPI falls under restricted-debtor-creditor-supplier, and the credit to refinance the existing borrowing falls under restricted-debtor-creditor.

 

There is no amount of credit stated (£8250) for the restricted-debtor-creditor agreement which imo renders the agreement unenforceable.

 

Contrary to what the banks would have us beleive, there is no bar on challenging an improperly executed agreement as a seperate issue by bringing free-standing proceesings for a decleration, this would have the effect of staying earlier proceedings, ie: possession orders, judgments etc, pending the consolidation of the claim with the earlier proceedings.

 

If councel's opinion is favourable it's going to be more hasstle for RBS.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

Edited August 11, 2009 by paulwlton

[car2403]

Totally agree, Paul. The PPI should be set out separately, with it's own prescribed terms. As it isn't, the agreement is formatted incorrectly, thereby improperly executed - unfortunately, that is fatal

[paulwlton]

Totally agree, Paul. The PPI should be set out separately, with it's own prescribed terms. As it isn't, the agreement is formatted incorrectly, thereby improperly executed - unfortunately, that is fatal

 

Nice one Chris.