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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Hi guys, just thought i'd update my situation. Got mt 1st demand for money in may, which i ignored, it eventually turned into a demand from Newlyn debt collection. I spoke to them saying it was in dispute and they need to refer it back to CEL. I then heard nothing for several months until this week when a 2nd Newlyn letter arrived, for the amount of £195 saying how disappointed they were that i have not contacted their office to arrange payment of my outstanding debt. (life is full of disappoints - get over it)

It is very frustrating to keep receiving these letters though.

 

I have yet to see anywhere on this forum where CEL has taken anyone to court so I am assuming that ignoring them is still the correct response.

 

Has anyone had any encouraging responses from bringing this company to the attention of their MP or would that be a complete waste of my time.

 

I am very angry that this bullying is allowed to go unchecked, I am a single parent and without the advice from this forum would probably have been frightened into paying rather than having debt collectors on my doorstep (has anyone actually had a visit from them yet ?) but what really concerns me is how easily someone has obtained my details from DVLA - I spent 10 years hiding from an extremely violent ex-husband and the thought that anyone can set up a "legit" company and buy my address for a paltry £2.50 really scares me.

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I have yet to see anywhere on this forum where CEL has taken anyone to court so I am assuming that ignoring them is still the correct response.

 

Absolutely.

 

Has anyone had any encouraging responses from bringing this company to the attention of their MP or would that be a complete waste of my time.

 

No, and to the second part of your question, It cannot hurt to let your MP know esecially as election time is looming.

 

I am very angry that this bullying is allowed to go unchecked, I am a single parent and without the advice from this forum would probably have been frightened into paying rather than having debt collectors on my doorstep (has anyone actually had a visit from them yet ?)

 

They never turn up. It is just not financially viable, taking into account their time, petrol and then just being told to, 'F*ck off', just isn't worth it, that is why it is just threatened and never carried out.

 

but what really concerns me is how easily someone has obtained my details from DVLA - I spent 10 years hiding from an extremely violent ex-husband and the thought that anyone can set up a "legit" company and buy my address for a paltry £2.50 really scares me.

 

I and many others on this forum share your concern.

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but what really concerns me is how easily someone has obtained my details from DVLA - the thought that anyone can set up a "legit" company and buy my address for a paltry £2.50 really scares me

 

In Big Brother UK there is so much information held insecurely that scamsters such as MET, CEL, NCP etc. can get all the details they want and one thing is very clear from the mode of operation - they have no scruples whatsoever

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The data protection act obviously only applies to us lesser mortals who dont work for government agencies......

The data protection act does not work for anybody (well that is my opinion).

 

Phone the commissioner and discuss for example how somebody is breaching your data (e.g. a bank or a dca) and see what they will tell you. It will be something like:

 

We will call them and ask them to stop

 

Yeah! Right!

 

Or tell them that you have sent the money for a subject access request. The cheque has been cashed but you got nothing. See what they tell you.

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I'm not sure if it's been noted before but I passed a CEL-monitored car park today with "new" signage. I took a close look at one of them (I had to as anyone driving would not have been able to read them clearly before entering their "lair") and now saw that they were offering a "further reduced rate" if they contact them while still on the site. How nice of them! :)

 

Christmas come early and they're feeling generous or looking even more desperate? :rolleyes:

 

Update: Still quiet: nothing from them since

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Hi Guys,

I know you must be fed up of all these posts, just got a PCN from these lot Civil Enforcement Ltd end of October, parked in a Co-op in Nottingham.. tomorrow is the day that I have in which I can get away with only paying the reduced amount of £45....am still contemplating whether or not pay it cuz I'm just a big scaredy cat!!!!

Not only that, but also just finished a law degree and don't really want to qualify with a huge debt on my head :-(:-( does that sound silly..I haven't even got a job..aargh!

 

help :o(

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am still contemplating whether or not pay it cuz I'm just a big scaredy cat!!!!

 

help :o(

Everybody else I would tell them (as has been said many a time) it is a [problem].

 

AS you have studied law then I would tell you PERSONALLY to pay it. That way, CEL will employ you as their solicitor whereby:

a: you will be in employment and

b: IF you take any of us to court we will be up against a "scaredy cat" :-D:-D:-D

 

Lol. I have a sad sense of humour. :roll::roll:

 

By the way, it is NOT a PCN. It is an Invoice sent to the registered keeper of the car (who might in the first place not have been the driver) trying to enforce a contract as written on their signage said contract having been written by **** in order to try and cheat the lovely members of the public out of their hard earned cash.

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tomorrow is the day that I have in which I can get away with only paying the reduced amount of £45(

Ignore them and you won't have to pay anything.

Do not contact them under any circumstances.

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Kinkinzz

 

PCN commonly stands for the Penalty Charge Notice issued by councils but the [problematic] use the same letters to make their invoices sound legitimate and official however in this case they stand for 'Parking Contravention Notice' or 'parking charge notice'

 

They are bullies and the only power they have over you is to scare you into paying an exhorbitant and unrealistic amount of money. It is a war of nerves now and you just need to stand firm. The letters will increase in amount as will the debt collector (same office different name) and the solicitor who will suggest how the fine may even double. All paper threats and nothing that would stand up in court and they know it - what they are banking on is that you are not in the 'know' and will cave in and send them their Christmas bonus

 

Resist and win

 

Be green and recycle their correspondence

 

Ignore works and they will after 3 months or so give up and look for an easier target

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Just had the pleasure of a demand from CEL for parking in Milton Keynes near the Hub. They are very devious, they have just put in about about 30 parking bays at the end of a very long section of parking spaces run by the council. No indication you are moving into a private zone, there are signs if you look but they are only about 15 yards from a normal pay machine. The killer is it is free to park after 6 in Milton Keynes, not with CEL though, and being very dark, anyone who stumbles into these bays will naturally assume they are OK after 6 and will get a nasty letter.

 

I am following all the advise and ignoring them, but would love to get them to court to explain this blatant entrapment.

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I have received exactly the same demand for parking at the Hub in milton keynes. Im really worried after reading all the info on hear and thinking i should pay it. I went back to the hub today and there are signs stating you will be fined if you park there.

What should i do?

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Yes, like a couple of others here, yesterday my wife received a "Parking Contravention Enforcement Notice" from Civil Enforcement Ltd for parking at the Hub in Milton Keynes for a 25 minute stay 20:29 hrs on 30th October.

They have issued a Parking Charge Notice for £150 (amount due within 28 days) or £75 (Reduced amount if paid within 14 days).

 

They say:

 

"failure to pay the amount due within 28 days of the issue date, will result in Civil Enforcement Ltd forwarding your account to a debt recovery agency and you will incur additional costs"

 

So what's the best ting to do;

 

Should she ignore it as said previously here

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Send the letter telling them "to contact the driver of the car"

 

Which method has the highest/quickest rate of success to get these bleeding parasites off her back?

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Hi

 

Ignore them if you send them a letter of any type they immediately assume that they have you worried and will bombard you with more letters.

 

This not a fine only the council and police can fine you this is just another demand for money, would you pay me if I sent you an invoice for passing my home if I had a sign saying pass my home charge of £50. I have a good idea what you would say to me.

 

 

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I have received exactly the same demand for parking at the Hub in milton keynes. Im really worried after reading all the info on hear and thinking i should pay it.

 

Why?

 

I went back to the hub today and there are signs stating you will be fined if you park there.

 

Did it actually say, 'fine'?

What should i do?

 

Ignore it and get on with your life.

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Just for clarification:

 

A High Court ruling states that a council issued ticket is actually a Penalty.

 

Any company or even goverment departments that issue a Fine then just quote them section 12 of the 1689 Bill of Rights namely:

 

That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void

 

IF you want to annoy Civil Enforcement Ltd then send them this:

 

1689 Bill of Rights states:

 

That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted

 

£150 for parking on private land is an excessive fine being imposed :D

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It looks like CEL have had a blitz at Milton Keynes. I also have just received a "Parking Contravention Enforcement Notice" through the post for 30 October 2009 for my car parked between 20:06 and 21:40.

There is no appeals process set out, you even have to provide an SAE if you want them to provide a receipt.

I went back to the area today and I believe the signage is misleading - there is small writing showing Terms and Conditions which can only be read when really close to the sign and this says that parking terms apply 24 hours a day. It does not clearly say the hours of operation in the main part of the sign. The British Parking Association logo is on there which seems to add some semblance of legitimacy.

I have been in contact with the Council who told me they have already had a number of people phone them this week to express concern about this parking land. As it is private property they have no powers to act but suggested I speak to Trading Standards.

I have done so and registered a complaint with TS. TS also say that I should write to CEL stating that the signage was unclear and that I am therefore not liable. I could mention reporting the matter to TS in the letter, then I should set a reasonable deadline for response (7 - 14 days) and send by recorded delivery.

They also mentioned that the Security Industry Authority issue the licences for these people to operate so I could also complain there.

They can go whistle for their money - this is a complete [problem]. How many more people are going to get conned before someone puts a stop to it?:-x

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Miranda_bdf...I have done exactly the same as you today called the council the trading standards, looked on the british parking website and im still none the wiser. I nearly sent my cheque today but having read more this evening, they can go jump!!!!! Hopefully, i will sleep tonight.

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