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hi minncey,

it was with my "account manager" - I have the name.

 

Now what did I tell you Miss LB??!!!!!

 

LOL at Mincey - I am sure he would prefer to be called "Beefy";-):D

 

I have just found a lovely "made up" letter in my SAR, SO made up it is laughable!!!

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My OH received a letter yesterday, which was a part response to one we sent to MBNA in February regarding the sudden appearance of PPI on her statements. Having first replied that she had requested PPI, they then went on to say that they had "ordered a copy of the original agreement so we can confirm our records are correct" - so they weren't certain.

 

MBNA enclose "an exact copy of the original credit card agreement"; if it is, then I suspect that the lack of APR and credit limit may mean that it is unenforceable. The letter goes on to say that they "confirm that this has not been altered by MBNA" - I wonder why they felt the need to say this? Of course, the PPI box is ticked.

 

In any case, MBNA have still to explain how, according to them, PPI is "clearly shown on every statement", when we have sent them a whole year's worth where it is clearly not shown at all.

 

No doubt all will be revealed when they fulfil the SAR request - their time is nearly up.

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hi minncey,

it was with my "account manager" - I have the name.

 

Send them a lovely letter asking them to confirm in writing that they believe a credit card mailer (something we all know they fabricate!) satisfies a s78!

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So they are selectively taking PPI's some months and not others if there is a tick in the box. Did someone have an accidental slip with their pen? Would love to see the original agreement and see the colour of the ink.

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And I don't like the minncey reference, so I may have to do a Dr Who and change my identity. It's making me develop a penchant for YMCA and Kylie Minogue...... I must dust off my copy of 'Pricilla, Queen of the desert'

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So they are selectively taking PPI's some months and not others if there is a tick in the box. Did someone have an accidental slip with their pen? Would love to see the original agreement and see the colour of the ink.

 

Yes, exactly what they have been doing to me - awaiting my perfectly executed redesigned cobbled together signed agreement with a beating heart!:-D

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Thanks for the replies to earlier post, still not sure with it,lol

 

But likei said my cca request was received 1st May, still not received anything yet, i will continue to pay them this month and next month to see what happens regarding the calendar month.

 

 

Do most people tend to recieve something rather than nothing?

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So they are selectively taking PPI's some months and not others if there is a tick in the box. Did someone have an accidental slip with their pen? Would love to see the original agreement and see the colour of the ink.

 

Battleaxe, I really didn't think they would stoop that low but I'm convinced that Lloyds have done exactly that to me. I'm still awaiting details though and they're now past the reply-by date.

 

Out of interest, is a tick in a box good enough? Seems bizarre to me as clearly this could be ticked at any time.

 

Regards.

 

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Battleaxe, I really didn't think they would stoop that low but I'm convinced that Lloyds have done exactly that to me. I'm still awaiting details though and they're now past the reply-by date.

 

Out of interest, is a tick in a box good enough? Seems bizarre to me as clearly this could be ticked at any time.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

 

On mine no tick......not even a place for a tick.....they said i'd agreed to it on the phone :roll:

 

Dave

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On mine no tick......not even a place for a tick.....they said i'd agreed to it on the phone :roll:

 

Dave

 

Dave,

 

Wouldn't they have to at least some documentary evidence of this, i.e. some contemporaneous notes made at the time, or a recording of the telephone conversation? How can they prove it?

 

Fred

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Dave,

 

Wouldn't they have to at least some documentary evidence of this, i.e. some contemporaneous notes made at the time, or a recording of the telephone conversation? How can they prove it?

 

Fred

 

EXACTLY.....already had a letter, we cant find the recording, but we will offer you £400 to go away. Why didnt you complain sooner. :roll:

 

dave

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see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,

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Follow your spirit; and, upon this charge

Cry 'God for Harry! England and Saint George!'

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EXACTLY.....already had a letter, we cant find the recording, but we will offer you £400 to go away. Why didnt you complain sooner. :roll:

 

dave

 

I'm going to have to wait for all the paperwork. I was too busy hiding the bloody stuff from the Missus a couple of year ago to even think about whether I'd need it or not. August 2005 in my house was a bit like the fall of Saigon with all the shredding that was going on.

 

I shudder to think about it now, but finding this site has given me a big confidence boost and although I'm a bit nervous I'm still looking forward to a scrap with my creditors, in particular MBNA.

 

We should have a competition for what MBNA stands for. "Must Botch New Agreements" could be one. Any takers? I'd put this in the Bear Garden but that of course is another story.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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Ooh, there are some good replies there. Perhaps we should send them to the Head Honcho at MBNA to let him/her decide. Do you think he/she has a sense of humour? I wouldn't want to waste postage though, so perhaps I'll include the list when I send my SAR.

 

Regards to all.

 

Fred

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Hi all,

 

Has been very quite on here for the last few days, so am hoping someone will be able to look at this agreement for me.

I am going to check out the maths bit on the financial agreement site. I think I have read somewhere that the payment protection part has to be correctly formatted for the year of the agreement but not sure if this is correct or not?

 

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Hi Everybody,

 

Need a helping hand to push me in the right direction..........

 

 

This is a letter ive received from MBNA regarding my cca.

 

 

Dear Mr Wednesday,

 

I refer to your recent letter received on 1st May 2007, Unfortunately, we are unable to obtain a copy of your original application.

 

MBNA now administer your account however, your original application was made to HBOS, you will need to contact them to obtain this information.

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Sally Morgan

 

Is the first paragraph the golden ticket? NO more payments and claiming charges and every penny of interest back and maybe even ppi?

 

In the second paragraph, Sally reckons, i need to contact HBOS, i take it thats the Halifax? I dont need to contact anyone do i? Im not trying to enforce a debt.

 

My only real doubt is, i asked for the agreement, not for an application, is this just a delay?

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

 

Thanks :-)

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Hi wednesday,

 

 

The CCA 1974 clearly states that they are to provide the information requested whether they are the original creditor or not!

 

I would now wait until they default and commit offence, and then report to Trading Standards and OFT etc.

 

PS. Do you have your own thread? If not, it might be a good idea to start one giving all the details of your story.

 

 

Best wishes, Jeff.

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Very interesting and long read, I have a question or 2 might even be 3

 

Does both signatures have to be on the same form? to make it a Proper Executed Agreement?

As my signature is on the T&C's in the normal little box, and theirs is on a print off from an Internet application, top left with a date stamp.

Also some of the information they have supplied is incorrect, as the present address has the wrong house number on it, they say for example 456 and it should be 556......but all correspondence does go to the correct house number 556.

 

Regards

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Hi Guys,

 

I could do with a little help on the following:-

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/mbna/463-mbna-europe-bank-penalty-6.html#post860479

 

As you may be aware I was sent a very iffy copy of the alledged agreement, actually it was the torn off bottom part of an application form. Of course, you will see from the above link that I wrote stating that MBNA had not complied. However, now they are rambling on about a credit card mailer..."

I am fully aware of the argument regarding credit card mailers and why do you think that they have pounced on the one line reference to S85 in my letter?

 

I fell sure that this is dirty tricks again from MBNA.

 

help!

 

AC

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Hi Guys,

 

I could do with a little help on the following:-

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/mbna/463-mbna-europe-bank-penalty-6.html#post860479

 

As you may be aware I was sent a very iffy copy of the alledged agreement, actually it was the torn off bottom part of an application form. Of course, you will see from the above link that I wrote stating that MBNA had not complied. However, now they are rambling on about a credit card mailer..."

I am fully aware of the argument regarding credit card mailers and why do you think that they have pounced on the one line reference to S85 in my letter?

 

I fell sure that this is dirty tricks again from MBNA.

 

help!

 

AC

 

AC, I have had this too - I think they are trying to cover their backs in case you go down the Section 85 route - it seems that they are sending out mailers wholesale instead of true executed agreements, we know they haven't got your agreement, only a portion of the application form so my guess is that by mentioning Section 85, they can then say they have, with issue of a credit token, provided you with a copy of your agreement. You mentioned in the other thread that you haven't had a card issued in this respect, same for my husband, so it is a very poor, and thoroughly misguided, attempt at complying with S78!

 

You are going to have to pick away at this one hun!

 

xxxx

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