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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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I got an interesting letter from a nice chap at the OFT yesterday about this shower.It said that they were sorry they couldnt intervene in individual cases and to speak to the FOS (which I have, my case is finally being looked at - yay! only took em 6 months. Never mind, better late than never :D)

 

It also said however, if it was ok with me, they would keep hold of my complaint and use it as part of an investigation into thier fitness to hold a consumer credit licence if needed, and could I sign the enclosed consent form to allow them to give them details of the people who had reported them! No problem, said I, I've already reported them to the FOS, methinks they're going to be sorry they ever messed with me in the first place :D

THE PRETENDER AGENDA - August 30,2008 - 2ND ROW!!! WOO-HOO!! :-)

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR A FAB NITE LEE! xx

Sunderland 011008 - THE BEST BIRTHDAY PRESSIE EVER! 'Aww, it's your birthday! Happy birthday darlin!'

 

02 Apr 2008, 23:55

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i like that!! its simple and good and gets the fans involved aswell x x x

 

MY SUCCESSES -

 

1st Credit (Lloyds TSB) admitted no CCA, reply from OFT 130608, reply from FOS 040608, adjudication stage rejected but still no contact....

 

My mate (Littlewoods/Moorcroft)

300608 -Long running battle,threatening court, CCA letter NO 2 and harrassment letter sent - passed back to Littlewoods early July.

070808 - Passed to Debt Managers, Acct in dispute/BOG OFF letter sent 080808...

140808 - Letter from Debt Managers passing debt back to Littlewoods - RESULT! :D

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Well done Mrs Ryan. I hope everyone else who has had problems with this shower reports them to the OFT as well. The more complaints they get against them the more likely the OFT will assess their suitability to hold a licence.

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I have had an edited copy of the signed agreement off them now which they want me to confirm and to give my comments about. Its a pretty bad scan but it is the agreement. The letter with it was rather nice. they want my proposals to settle the debt but all I can give is the stated quid. CAB say they will help me again with a latest Fanancial statement etc.

 

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Yes - it could be that they do not have the original aggrement. However I do not really want to get into mentioning the word 'court' at this stage. Funny too that they asked for my comments. How polite. They do ask me to confirm that it holds my signature so that they can, they say, send me a copy of the relevent doc.

 

I have noticed that I am still paying the agree quid a month to the OC who passed this debt off to 1 cred.

 

Can I use this fact? Surely the fact that the OC was at first happy with this arrangment stands for something. I am also quite certain that no one told me that the debt was passed on to the nasties either.

Questioner. what exactly did they send you?

Asking for your comments and confirmation of signature to send you 'the relevant doc'... What are they talking about? Are you sure they sent you the agreement?

The very fact that their letter was polite makes me wonder :confused:

Mrs Ryan - well done! :D x

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

- can't read/post much as eye strain's v.bad.

VIVA CAG!!! :)

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Thank you sosumi and ODC.... :D

 

If it werent for CAG I would never have known I could complain, so Im really grateful to everyone on here that its actually got this far!

 

To everyone else having problems with this lot on this thread and others, complain, complain, complain. It definitely helps! ive fired off letters to just about everyone suggested on here (think theyre probably all sick of me now :lol:) but I was horrified by these shower's bullying tactics and something needs to be done.... CAG can crack it! (My god how cheesy is that :lol:)

 

Mrs R xx

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR A FAB NITE LEE! xx

Sunderland 011008 - THE BEST BIRTHDAY PRESSIE EVER! 'Aww, it's your birthday! Happy birthday darlin!'

 

02 Apr 2008, 23:55

OfficialLeeRyan wrote:

i like that!! its simple and good and gets the fans involved aswell x x x

 

MY SUCCESSES -

 

1st Credit (Lloyds TSB) admitted no CCA, reply from OFT 130608, reply from FOS 040608, adjudication stage rejected but still no contact....

 

My mate (Littlewoods/Moorcroft)

300608 -Long running battle,threatening court, CCA letter NO 2 and harrassment letter sent - passed back to Littlewoods early July.

070808 - Passed to Debt Managers, Acct in dispute/BOG OFF letter sent 080808...

140808 - Letter from Debt Managers passing debt back to Littlewoods - RESULT! :D

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They sent me a badly scanned, single page copy of a ‘YOUR PERSONAL APPLICATION ‘its says ‘A96’ next to it.

 

It has details about my name, work and income, birth date income and all that stuff.

 

I presume this is what you mean by a CCA which I requested from them???

 

 

That’s all. And my signature is now different to the one on the scan, which is several years old.

 

 

They say if I confirm the signature they will sent me a copy of the ‘relevant document.’ And they say they invite proposals for settling this “outstanding debt.”

 

They than go on about if its not my signature that I should provide my sig fron an official doc such as a drivers licence.

 

They then go on about my address being correct or not.

 

They finally go on about if they believe that a fraud has been committed against me they will investrigate.

 

They have failed to provide a complaints policy or answer aay of my questions.

 

 

Nice and sweet they thank me now for my assistance. What a change of attitude buy WHY??

Am I missing something here?

 

 

Confusing.

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No Questioner, NO, NO!!

That's why they're 'being nice', the feckers!

That's not a Credit Agreement AT ALL!:o:o

They want your signature eh?

They've sent you your application form!

They are bad bad people!:mad:

 

You're not, so hang on for advice here! :) xx

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

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They sent me a badly scanned, single page copy of a ‘YOUR PERSONAL APPLICATION ‘its says ‘A96’ next to it.

 

It has details about my name, work and income, birth date income and all that stuff.

 

I presume this is what you mean by a CCA which I requested from them???

 

 

That’s all. And my signature is now different to the one on the scan, which is several years old.

 

 

They say if I confirm the signature they will sent me a copy of the ‘relevant document.’ OH REALLY they are supposed to do this in reply to a statutory CCA request any way so they aint doing you any favours And they say they invite proposals for settling this “outstanding debt.” I say invite them to supply the documents required by law first then we talk about settlement

 

They than go on about if its not my signature that I should provide my sig fron an official doc such as a drivers licence. Yeah right, of course you should NOT!!! this is standard rubbish tactics that these DCAS seem to employ, dont be fooled by it

 

They then go on about my address being correct or not.

 

They finally go on about if they believe that a fraud has been committed against me they will investrigate.

 

They have failed to provide a complaints policy or answer aay of my questions.

 

 

Nice and sweet they thank me now for my assistance. What a change of attitude buy WHY??

 

Am I missing something here? No , they are relying upon you being gullible and thinking they are trying to help

 

 

 

Confusing.

 

If you have made a statutory request for a copy of your credit agreement, they are obliged to supply it in 12 working days

 

there is a letter here that you could send them to deal with their request for a specimen signature http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/letter-templates/131333-dca-creditor-demand-specimen.html

 

the Consumer Credit Act does not provide that they can demand your signature before they comply nor does the data protection act, however the DPA does allow them to satisfy themselves as to your identity, however it does not expressly state they can have your signature

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Not directly but some DCAs seem to have an incestuous relationship with others. Lowell for example seem to work hand in hand with those bastions of Debt Collectine Mackenzie Hall. They seem to pick up the alleged debts that Lowell cannot CONvince people into paying. No doubt a check of company records and other freely available information could reveal more about these cosy relationships

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I have had other robotic calls too from other DEBT gangs I DONT KNOW OF so perhaps I am getteing due for a new fanancial statement to be produced. The callers who have left messages to call back are taped affairs and I have started to get several each day - I feel they are linked. I shall be visiting CAB soon so that they can aid me in advice re the new FS. I just hope they have the nouse that you guys have re this situation as I had never heard of a CCA request etc until I found this site.

 

These abusive DCAs have made a real enemy with me now and I shall never ever forgive them.

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Since I had all this aggro with 1st crud I have now mysteriously stated to get phone harrassment from a gang called Westcot Credit. I have never heard of them and yet they threatened to send someone around to see me.

 

Anyone know if they are linked to the 1st crud?

 

Wescot are really bad. They phone neighbours in the street to get your phone number etc pretending to be someone else. I've heard them at it!

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I have found, with these muppets, that they even ignore your harrassment letter. I had a letter from them saying that they will talk to anyone I complain to, even the police. Send them a CCA request. It will cost you £1 for a Postal Order (Do NOT send a cheque) and about £1 for Recorded Delivery. I have found that this is the only way to stop them.

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Problem is they are now starting to call regularly saying they have sent letters to me which is not true but I have no idea where they are based.

 

I will not answer questions over the phone from people who I do not know.

 

I feel they do not even have my addrees and this is why they keep telling me they have sent me these letters.

 

Very nasty tricks.

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The calls we have had off westcot are plain silly. They keep claiming they have sent us letters which is not true as we have had nothing off them. We have no idae who they are yet they keep phoning us.

 

Another one of your creditors may have sold your account to Westcott, as I've just had a Goldfish account sold to Cabot it seems in March and knew nothing about it until Cabot started leaving me annoying messages in June. They also claimed they'd written but I'd received nothing. Or it could be Westcott on a phishing trip as they've mixed your name up with someone else they're tracing.

 

Here's an address for Westcott if you're going to send them a harassment letter.

Westcott Credit Services Ltd,

P O Box 137,

Hull,

H02 8HF

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I got another call of this westcot lot and they again stated that they had sent me letters which they have not. Then they asked if I lived at an address which was in fact correct. Very fishy - it's as if they are unsure about my location. I told them nowt.

 

Partly I would love to send them the hassassment letter (anyone got a blank example please?) BUT PART OF ME SAYS IGNORE THEM AND LET THEM WRITE TO ME so that I can then shoot back with a CCA.

 

 

And check this guys.

 

I have just found out that this post on another site gives the Westcot number, that has been hassling me, as Nat West...

 

 

"just received a message on the phone from this number.They say they are Nat West credit card centre."

Caller ID: 01294475300

Caller: Nat West credit card centre

01294475300 - who calls me?

 

Yep - that's the one.

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