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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Same person, no doubt about it.

 

I didn't see the EmmaJane posts? What did I miss?

 

:wink::wink:

 

Obviously the same person using the same ip address.

 

For those of you who missed 'Emma Janes' one and only post it was the usual DCA Threat Monkey Garbage about how wonderful Mercers are and that we are all doomed,

 

Still it just confirms what we all know. We are hurting the DCAs:-D:-D:-D

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Mercers are a nightmare they did try phoning me at work a few times and the last one told me at my workplace that he would keep ringing me, I said if he did i would report him!I have to say after that i have not to my knowledge had any more calls to my workplace after i said that,Now Barclaycard have said they will remove my work number from the system though still reserve the right to contact me at home!Still hopefully this means no more hassle at work:)

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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Sorry, Cosalt. We should have put out an alert/link on all our other threads.:D

 

I certainly wasn't rude to dwheeler and asked him a number of perfectly valid questions which were ignored,:) and then when he was moaning that we were not answering his questions I gave him an answer and was ignored - again. :)

 

Says it all really.

 

Emma Jane: MERMAIDS have tails, not fairies. :D However, I expect your spelling qualifies you for a job at Mercers. :)

 

Mercers behaving like kind, supportive, understanding angels? Now that would be a fairytale.

 

Daniella

Hi DD

Dam! Looks like i spotted this thread to late! LOL!:DI missed all the fun!

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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Sorry, Sunflower. If another one like this starts I'll alert you immediately. :)

Thanks DD!:D

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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I have a debt which has been passed to mercers debt collection which is for a sum of £74.66 on my barclaycard account online can i pay the amount owed there instead of ringing up mercers debt collection considering there are owned by the same company.

 

If i do pay the sum on my barclaycard online account will this means the debt to mercers debt collection will be called off?.

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I have no issues what so ever, people dont think of their credit agreements when there going on holiday, spending £1000's at christmas or however the run up their bill, the truth is if you have spent the money you should repay it !! Im sure if the shoe was on the other foot and you owned a company with outstanding debt you also would expect it to be repaid !!!!!

 

 

If my job was to lend money with the assumption I'd be getting it back, I would at least be clever enough to make sure I did the bloody thing by the book. It's not like you guys are being paid to grow parsnips and lend money as a sideline. :cool:

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If my job was to lend money with the assumption I'd be getting it back, I would at least be clever enough to make sure I did the bloody thing by the book. It's not like you guys are being paid to grow parsnips and lend money as a sideline. :cool:

:-D And what about irresponsible lending, the offers have dropped on the mat since my live-in teenager turned 18 !!!! Thank goodness he sleeps till lunchtime, otherwise he may have applied for their cards.

 

He is still unemployed btw because I took him for a job interview last week that turned out to be worth £1 p.h. Should he have taken the job or stayed unemployed. Another dilemma:shock:

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:-D And what about irresponsible lending, the offers have dropped on the mat since my live-in teenager turned 18 !!!! Thank goodness he sleeps till lunchtime, otherwise he may have applied for their cards.

 

He is still unemployed btw because I took him for a job interview last week that turned out to be worth £1 p.h. Should he have taken the job or stayed unemployed. Another dilemma:shock:

HI AA99

These banks dont learn do they:mad:You would think they would be a bit more careful now ,

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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AA99,

 

If your son is getting unemployment benefit he'd have to weigh up what £1 an hour would work out at and how much he would gain/lose.

 

However, I have met a number of recruitment people over the years and they have all said, without exception, that if two almost identical candidates for a job applied for one vacancy the company would always give it to the one who had taken some sort of job - any job. To use a very old-fashioned phrase of my grandmother: "It shows willing." (Translation: It shows they can organize themselves to be somewhere at a certain time and contribute something.)

 

£1 an hour is almost "slave labour" - sorry if that is a non-pc term - but any job on a cv is better than none. If, however, anyone is treated badly in a job they should leave immediately. If he liked the sound of the job - and he probably did as he applied for it - could he say he would try it for a week/fortnight to see how it went and then if he proved himself get a "considerable" payrise?

 

Just my two cents worth.

 

Daniella

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Hi all,

 

Great thread and a very useful and informative site.

I'm having all the usual - as reported elesewhere - rubbish with barclaycard and numerous calls from the Mercer crew.

I am getting three to four calls a day starting at 0800.

I tend to just say No when asked to confirm security questions and ask them for their name and direct number & CCL number so that I can add their name and details to my complaint for harrasment.

Amazing how quickly the phone goes dead!

 

I am sure the same people call with different names and have now the threat of a doorstep caller today between 0800and 1900.

I had an unsigned post card but as yet...........no visitor.

I have looked at all the posts re this situation and am ready and prepared to see them off the land should they call.

 

Since making my request as in other threads for true and exact copies of agreements (one is a Bcd and the other an old MSDW card), I haver had all the usual answers and rubbish sent through.

Following the advice elsewhere in the forum I have now put both accounts in dispute and have actually had a call from a very helpful lady in their legal dept apologising for Mercers after I made a complaint about them in writing.

She did say that they would stop calling for 14 days while she looked into it - then I got the postcard advising me of a doorstep visit.

This must be costing them a fortune in calls and mail:lol:

 

I will post again when the next stage in my story opens up and will have, no doubt, to start my own thread.

 

Thanks again to all of you who post and tell us all of your situation and outcome........I loved the way you picked up on emma jane and dwheeler.

It really brightened my day no end.

 

Cloggy.

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I have had up to 6 calls a day from 0800 to 2100, 7 days a week.

 

Due to the incompetance of the Sharkleycard hench-men that work there I have resorted to sending them a fax to explain my situation for the 9th time.

 

I was ajudged bankrupt on 23 April 2009 and despite advising them of the details, they still phone calling me a liar as they dont see the bankruptcy showing up on the government website. As I live in Northern Ireland, I am not sure if they would see this info.

 

I faxed them the information again and added a web-link to the relevent entry of bankruptcies for that day.. Awaiting a reply (but I'll not hold my breath!!)

 

Maybe DWheeler would like to comment on this? They dont even seem to care they are breaking the law - they also stated its up to me to prove I am bankrupt; not them to chase... BALLS!!!

 

Legally, all I am obliged to do is pass on the relevent information and that should be the end of the matter.

 

Here is a censored version of the fax...

 

To the Duty Manager/Supervisor

 

For the 9th time… SINCE 23 APRIL 2009, I HAVE BEEN AJUDGED BANKRUPT – THIS MEANS IT IS ILLEGALFOR YOU TO PERSUE ME FOR MONIES OWED.

This was heard in Belfast High Court by Master Kelly of the Chancery Dept – Case Reference 09/xxxxxx. Please contact the Official Receiver, Fermanagh House, Ormeau Avenue, BELFAST, BT2 8N quoting the reference number. As you don’t seem capable of finding out this information yourself, please look at the following website to see the entry:-

http://www.belfast-gazette.co.uk/issues/7080/pages/xxx/page.pdf

x entry on right hand column

As most of the calls from your automated system NEVER get answered by a human (even if going through the ridiculous security) I would deem this as Harassment by Telephone – if this persists I will ask for the name, direct dial of the Operator and the CCL to register a complaint with OFCOM, OFT and the Official Receiver.

 

As Mercers are a non-trading and dormant company, surely it is illegal to be pursuing monies as this would then render you as trading??

 

PLEASE ENSURE I DO NOT GET ANY FURTHER PHONE CALLS – ALL I AM OBLIGATED BY LAW TO DO IS ADVISE YOU OF MY BANKRUPTCY (AND DETAILS OF CASE ETC) AND THAT SHOULD BE IT.

Please also note that the original fax number I was given was 0151 549 7844 – this is not operational so I have used another found on a well-known website which has given me great thought into how this money extorting works...

 

Sort out your Staff so they give out correct information and do not try to intimidate those who are legally excused from their debt burden.

 

 

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