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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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Here goes.........the story starts with HSBC bank.......i had a loan with them over 6yrs ago and defaulted in 1999....the debt was then past onto Cabot financial.....I have been paying cabot since 1999, but have looked at old correspdance to find one month they enforced £600 interest on my account......

 

What do I do next to obtain my statements? I have written to HSBC who say the account was bought my Cabot finanical who say they do not have copies of any statements!!!! please help Emily

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Emily send the Subject Access Request (SAR) to the bank and the Consumer Credit Act request to Cabot. You will need to send £10 for the SAR and £1 for the CCA. The CCA is perhaps the most important as it is such a long time since Cabot "bought" this debt. Also when they buy a debt they cannot add charges so that is an unlawful activity.

Ypou need to find out how much of the debt was penalty charges and claim it back plus interest. However you also need to see a full, true, legible copy of the original credit agreement (and not a copy of the application form) signed by yourself and the bank/credit card company.

You should also have been asked for your agreement by the DCA (CaboT) to process your data and they should provide you witha deed of assignment (saying they have bought your debt) and copies of statements. Without any of these they cannot claim this debt and you can sue them for return of all your payments as well as the interest and the penalty charges.

You will find copies of these letters in the Templates section. Hope this helps.

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i have just post a thread and noticed yours.

cabot finance are the people phoning me. at first they said they were working for halifax but after some enquiries i found they had bought the debt from halifax. i don,t know how much for. the original debt was for £1900 and they offered me a settlement figure of £1200 so i expect they bought the debt for a lot less then original sum.

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Search the Cabot threads on here. It is very interesting. There is a growing dedicated group of us challenging them. Follow advice given to Emily as well. It's difficult to find out how much these companies pay for these debts but it has been said as little as 10 pence in the £. In otherwords they may have bought your debt for £120 or so. Let them prove they have a claim on it.

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  • 9 months later...

One question that i need to ask did you miss any payments.

 

The reason I ask this is these companies can apply interest all the time no regular payments are being made. All the time payments are being made Companies are allowed to accrew the interest in the background on a daily basis but not apply it. The reason for this is it is an "incentive" to keep you paying. interest should not be charged over the amount of 12% by a third party creditor (recommendation by the OFT (Office of Fair Trading)) .

 

 

However I understand that you was paying the debt since 1999. However if you missed one month they are within their rights to apply this interest.

This arguement can be resolved quite simply as I did when it happened to me I called them up and put my case forward and they reduced the interest for me.

 

It is up to what way you wish to go about this but you have already admitted you owe the monies to them by paying since 1999. I did it like this and it worked.

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One question that i need to ask did you miss any payments.

 

The reason I ask this is these companies can apply interest all the time no regular payments are being made. All the time payments are being made Companies are allowed to accrew the interest in the background on a daily basis but not apply it. The reason for this is it is an "incentive" to keep you paying. interest should not be charged over the amount of 12% by a third party creditor (recommendation by the OFT (Office of Fair Trading)) .

 

 

However I understand that you was paying the debt since 1999. However if you missed one month they are within their rights to apply this interest.

This arguement can be resolved quite simply as I did when it happened to me I called them up and put my case forward and they reduced the interest for me.

 

It is up to what way you wish to go about this but you have already admitted you owe the monies to them by paying since 1999. I did it like this and it worked.

 

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abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

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One question that i need to ask did you miss any payments.

 

The reason I ask this is these companies can apply interest all the time no regular payments are being made. All the time payments are being made Companies are allowed to accrew the interest in the background on a daily basis but not apply it. The reason for this is it is an "incentive" to keep you paying. interest should not be charged over the amount of 12% by a third party creditor (recommendation by the OFT (Office of Fair Trading)) .

 

I would have to query this in relation to Cabot as they repeatedly state that they are not the creditor, be it third party or otherwise...

 

Please follow Rhia's advice, send them a SAR and a CCA request. You are legally entitled to this information.

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tbern123 vs Cabot

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Who's that trip, trapping on the bridge?

Cabot? Hmmm!

 

They talk to much and have nothing to say.

He didn't come looking for trouble, but trouble came looking for him.

When the smoke clears, it just means he's reloading.

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Probably unwise to feed the troll, but he/she is missing the point... Emily hasn't posted on this thread since January.

 

 

Who's the Daddy NOW ye fecker????

 

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lol I didn't even notice... Just couldn't believe what was said...

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tbern123 vs Cabot

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  2. Litigation - tbern123 V Cabot Financial (Uk) Limited
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Im sorry maybe you have missed the point,

 

SAR would only be relevant to you if disputing the whole debt, and from what i can tell that is your answer every tiny little query in this site. I joined this site to try and help all you ungrateful (and i quote) "feckers"

 

To be honest If this is the response i get so be it but you all know you spent the money and you all know you owe the money for crying out loud no one put a gun to your head and made you sign a contract.

 

In some cases yes people have been treated unfairly but come on have you all really been treated unfairly.

 

And for your information I do NOT work for Cabot but I do have many years of Financial Law experience. Your loss, I was gonna try and help you instead of SAR SAR SAR SAR SAR as every little answer.

 

Have fun

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I wasn't going to respond, but I feel it is my duty as an ungrateful fecker with a great deal of personal knowledge and experience of Cabot, to respond.

 

Im sorry maybe you have missed the point,

 

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) would only be relevant to you if disputing the whole debt, and from what i can tell that is your answer every tiny little query in this site. I joined this site to try and help all you ungrateful (and i quote) "feckers"

 

If you really want to help, I would advise that you first read what the original poster has actually said.

 

What do I do next to obtain my statements? I have written to HSBC who say the account was bought my Cabot finanical who say they do not have copies of any statements!!!! please help Emily

 

This particular person has made requests to both the Original Creditor and to Cabot for information relating to her account. Both have refused. As a person with

I do have many years of Financial Law experience.

 

I am sure you will understand and appreciate that she has the legal right to this information. A SAR (a Subject Access Request) affords her that right to this information and to all other personal data held by the Data Controller.

 

On this basis, recommending that she made a SAR request is good advice that she should follow.

 

To be honest If this is the response i get so be it but you all know you spent the money and you all know you owe the money for crying out loud no one put a gun to your head and made you sign a contract. In some cases yes people have been treated unfairly but come on have you all really been treated unfairly.

 

The above statement clearly demonstrates the contempt you hold for the people that you are reportedly willing to help. I am sure you will appreciate my confusion in relation to this contradiction. I would strongly urge you to take the time to read more of these threads. This will help you understand that in fact a great number of people have been unfairly treated by Cabot.

 

Please take a few moments to read my own thread, which documents my struggle with Cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/cabot/36665-cabot-again-urgent-help.html

 

 

 

And for your information I do NOT work for Cabot but I do have many years of Financial Law experience. Your loss, I was gonna try and help you instead of SAR SAR SAR SAR SAR as every little answer.

 

Have fun

 

I do and will have fun. If we want to beat our chests, I also have many years of Financial experiance. I have been employed within the finance industry for 11 years now. I have worked within Retail, Commercial, Corporate and International Banking. As for your comments in relation to SAR SAR SAR SAR, please read the above.

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  • 9 months later...

a bit of advice please!!

 

am new to this site so hello to all!

 

can anyone advise if a collection agency can collect on a debt already having been handled by another?

heres my tale.

 

a lovely company called jbdr in sept 07 harrassed me to put it mildly , for an alleged credit card debt.

this went on till in dec 07 i asked for a signed copy of the original agreement plus statement of account.

no reply was received within the legal time limits.

then in april this year cabot contacted me for payment of this alleged debt originally with jbdr.

i wrote to them explaining jbdr had the original debt and did not respond within the time limit.also i offered to forward proof of all correspondence with jbdr including copies of proof of signatures at jbdr shoeing they had received everything.

 

now, at the beginning of july cabot write and tell me they are the legal owner of this alleged debt, are they? and did cabot have the legal right to sell this on to cabot?

any ideas?

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It's not up to you CF to furnish proof that you have paid, it is up to them to do the obverse.

 

There is only one letter you need to write and that is to ask them to prove you owe. Don't spend £10 on an SAR or £1 on a CCA, they cannot just say you owe me pay, they have to give proof.

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One question that i need to ask did you miss any payments.

 

The reason I ask this is these companies can apply interest all the time no regular payments are being made. All the time payments are being made Companies are allowed to accrew the interest in the background on a daily basis but not apply it. The reason for this is it is an "incentive" to keep you paying. interest should not be charged over the amount of 12% by a third party creditor (recommendation by the OFT (Office of Fair Trading)) .

 

 

However I understand that you was paying the debt since 1999. However if you missed one month they are within their rights to apply this interest.

This arguement can be resolved quite simply as I did when it happened to me I called them up and put my case forward and they reduced the interest for me.

 

It is up to what way you wish to go about this but you have already admitted you owe the monies to them by paying since 1999. I did it like this and it worked.

 

This sounds like someone who works for Cabot et.al.

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Cabot bought my credit card debt from Opus Cards, without my knowledge and without documentation. I requested that they continue the same arrangement that I had with Opus, i.e. to freeze the interest and pemalty payments, and accept an affordable monthly amount from me.

They accepted my monthly payment, but I have minimal information from them regarding account management and it seems that further interest is accruing.

Is it legal for them simply to take over this debt without my agreement and be able to change agreed conditions unilaterally?

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Cabot bought my credit card debt from Opus Cards, without my knowledge and without documentation. I requested that they continue the same arrangement that I had with Opus, i.e. to freeze the interest and pemalty payments, and accept an affordable monthly amount from me.

They accepted my monthly payment, but I have minimal information from them regarding account management and it seems that further interest is accruing.

Is it legal for them simply to take over this debt without my agreement and be able to change agreed conditions unilaterally?

 

You should have received the goodbye/hallo letters from both Cabot (who usually send them both out under some kind of arrangement with the card holder) and from the creditor. These are known as the Notice of Assignment. If you didn't they are in trouble.

 

Sadly can't spend much time on Cabot these days as I have bigger fish to fry and have already spent far too much of my life on these dregs. There are plenty on here who will guide you.

 

Good luck.

 

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