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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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What I would also consider is sending that Landlords Letting Agency that you have been dealing with in this matter a Subject Access Request (SAR) requesting 'ALL DATA' from when you reported this matter to them initially to date. (you want to see what they have been up to.

They then have 30 Calendar Days to respond and that time limit only starts once the have acknowledge receipt of your SAR Request.

Something else as you previously mentioned similar has happened on previous occasions to this do you still have evidence of this and your correspondence as this may be useful if you do proceed down the courts route on this occasion to show the courts this Landlords history of failing to act to prevent further damage to your property.

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Yeah I have email correspondence from 2020 about a leak. It took them a month to fix it after 5 email reminders that time too. Luckily the ceiling never fell so I didn't take it any further. Still cost me to get the bathroom painted again. 

Have sent them the SAR request which they have confirmed receipt of. 

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It will be interesting to see when the SAR comes back if it contains copies of the emails you have from 2020 which it should so lets wait for that SAR to see if they are open or not and if not it's then a complaint to the ICO for their failure to comply with a SAR Request properly

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Got the following reply from agent. This is their answer to my request for LL's information while stating the Housing act guidance mentioned earlier. 

 

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I’ve spoken with our representative and the below information is only for blocks rather than houses/flats as yours.

 We are not withholding the details however these emails are very accessible on land registry if you would like to get this information. 

 You can forward across the notice you wish to serve to our landlord and we will forward this onto him

 

Would it be ok to serve the invoice through the agent? Or should I do both? Land registry address and this? 

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I would've given the invoice to the agent last week!

Legally you would be right to serve any notices to the letting agents, especially that you now have it in writing that they will forward it to them. That's essentially all you need. The name of the landlord c/o the letting agent would be legally served in this case.

 

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Received an email from the LL's Insurance claim agent to say that they have got my email and have forwarded it to their insurance broker so that legal cover can be engaged. 

He is the same guy who emailed me at the start to say that this was an act of god so I would need to claim from my own Insurance. He is not his Insurance broker or been appointed by a company so I am not sure why he is emailing me. Maybe his acquaintance? 

What does he mean by Legal cover? I never mentioned anything legal in my letter. Just a simple this is what happened and if you can settle up for the attached invoice please. Nothing aggressive at all. 

What should I do next? 

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Yours is not the next move :)

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It has now been over 4 weeks since I sent the letter with details of what has happened in a timeline format. Along with this I sent the bill and explained reasons why I believe its not an unforeseen event. 

Received a reply after 2 weeks as per above from his claims agent. Nothing since then. 

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did you send the SAR stu mentioned?

Time to start drafting your letter of claim.

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Yes. They replied back to it at 28 days and it only has correspondence from this time around and not the previous leaks. Plus they have left out an email from it in which she says that their member of staff has left the company as being the reason for delay. I would need that for proof or is my email enough?  

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If that's all they've sent then it's an incomplete SAR and they're not compliant.

Start drafting a letter of claim for the costs of the works. I'm sure some of the site team will be along shortly to help tidy up what you produce.

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6 minutes ago, lolerz said:

If that's all they've sent then it's an incomplete SAR and they're not compliant.

That depends on what the OP asked for...

 

On 10/11/2023 at 02:24, stu007 said:

What I would also consider is sending that Landlords Letting Agency that you have been dealing with in this matter a Subject Access Request (SAR) requesting 'ALL DATA' from when you reported this matter to them initially to date. (you want to see what they have been up to.

Is this what the OP actually requested?

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I requested the following 

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I would like a copy of the following personal data that you hold about me, and which I have a right to view under the Data Protection Act 2018:

I would like to request 'ALL DATA' from when I reported the leak at *******  till now that you hold. The day that I reported the leak was 9th October 2023.

Is this sufficient? 

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Not for a complaint to ICO.

Looks like they've sent exactly what you asked for.

 

Presumably, the reason for wanting absolutely EVERYTHING was...

On 10/11/2023 at 02:24, stu007 said:

this may be useful if you do proceed down the courts route on this occasion to show the courts this Landlords history of failing to act to prevent further damage to your property.

 

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Previously it was a different estate agent hence why I didn’t ask for anything prior. I have email correspondence from then but that agent has closed down since. 
 

The only part they haven’t included is the email from them to say the delay was due to their employee leaving. Shall I ask them for it or would my email do? This is a vital part to prove their negligence. 

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Either way, you'd need to start drafting your letter of claim to recover your costs for the repair.

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normally it's 14 days in this case but with the festive period I don't think it's unreasonable to give them 28 days this time around.

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Letters of Claim as per CPR 6.3 must be sent via post unless they have explicitly stated that they're willing to accept service by email.

It's always better to send it by post anyway. 1st Class and get a certificate of posting from the post office (don't just pop it in the post box). It's deemed as served 2 days after.

You know from earlier that it should be sent to the letting agent so send it in the post to them.

 

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Yes include the reply form :)

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Got the following email today from a company called MPL Claims. 

 

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With regards to the above claim, please note our involvement as the appointed claims management company on behalf of ******** Insurers.

Our claim reference number is ********.

Please can you provide:

1) images of the damage;

2) details of your allegations against our insured; and

3) confirmation as to whether you have reported the claim to your own insurers?

 

What should I do next? 

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looks like your PAPLOC worked.

respond with the info they require.?

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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