UKPC/dcbl ANPR PCN claimform - didnt input reg - ignored everything - auto park estate, Eastgate street, Bury st Edmunds Suffolk IP33 1YQ ***Claim discontinued***

[honeybee13]

You don't want a determination without a hearing. An unscrupulous PPC could tell all sorts of porkies in its submission and you wouldn't be able to challenge them.

HB

[dx100uk]

as i said earlier you need to get reading up.

 

dont use email. use 1st class stamp get free proof of posting from any po counter, it does not hurt if its a day or 2 late you are a LiP (litigant in person - joe public against the system- you get certain leeway)

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347310-legal-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track-correct-at-sept-2016/#comment-5088148

3 copies

yes to mediation (unless you filed our Statute Barred Defence OR this is a claim for a Private Parking Ticket)

1 wit you

Suitability for determination without a hearing? no (read all the posts in N180 link above for the reason)

the rest is obv

1 to the court

1 to sols (omit phone/sig/email)

1 for your file

 

dx

[Sym01]

Yes read all that previously, just wasn’t sure on D1. Will be sent tomorrow 

[FTMDave]

@ihb9 Thanks for starting your own thread.

@Sym01 It would be a damn good idea to follow ihb9's thread, ihb9 has put in loads of superb work photographing UKPC's pathetic signage, all evidence that would be massively useful for your daughter with her case.

[Sym01]

I have a few pictures of the poor signage taken a week after the pcn.

I've also been in contact with the snooker Hall owner, he said he will try and help my daughters case

[FTMDave]

The problem is that the snooker hall didn't call in UKPC, whoever runs the whole site did.

The snooker hall must surely know who this is, as this organisation will have given them instructions for the reg. no. keying in.

If you can find out who this company is it could be vital info. for you and for ihb9.

[Sym01]

 

Secret cancellation clauses

WWW.PARKINGCOWBOYS.CO.UK

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When signing up with a private parking company to manage their land, often contracts include the...

Worth a try, I'm sure ihb9 has a good case seems he had an appointment planned with the shop. 

 

[FTMDave]

I presume you're following ihb9's thread in any case, but it seems this evening that they have managed to get the invoices they received cancelled.

[Sym01]

Well done really pleased they got a good result

[FTMDave]

Your daughter soon to make it 2-0

[Sym01]

I hope so, although I'm not feeling confident about it. We'll see what happens

[FTMDave]

Can your daughter find out from the snooker hall who this mysterious organisation is that runs the estate?  They are the ones who have the power to halt the whole thing.

[ihb9]

From my own case on the same estate, it was the business we were visiting themselves that contacted UKPC and got our PCNs cancelled. From the cancellation confirmation from UKPC, it looks like they called and followed up by Email, so Bury Bowl ought to be able to do the same ... although time has gone on now.

Apparently these new scheme was 'request' by the vets and snooker hall businesses, and it seems the snooker hall is owned by the landlord. Trying to find a contact for that there is https : //www[dot]potblacksportsbar.com/ which gives a phone number of 01284 704231, or they also seem to run a golfing simulator there too https : //www[dot]thegolferslounge.co.uk which quotes the same phone number or [email protected]

[Sym01]

I messaged Andy Goodridge last week, he said he would email his contact at UKPC but that he was usually unhelpful. Still waiting to see the outcome as to whether he did email them. I will follow up after this weekend

[ihb9]

Well, here's hoping for you

[Sym01]

This is what Andy said last week!

"We have had loads of it as you can imagine the company ukpc make their money from fines so it's not in their interest to signage it well!

We have signs on all doors and tell as many as we can just sometimes we are busy and people slip into club

Email me the details I'll try email them for you and kick up a fuss it's really there to stop people parking and going into town we get lots of it

I'll try for you email me details asap l've sent you an email.

[honeybee13]

We don't recommend contact off-site, it isn't secure for either of you. Please post messages on the open forum.

HB

[dx100uk]

1 hour ago, Sym01 said:

We have had loads of it as you can imagine the company ukpc make their money from fines so it's not in their interest to signage it well!

then write back telling the muppet they ARE NOT FINES!.

dx

 

[dx100uk]

4 hours ago, ihb9 said:

From my own case on the same estate, it was the business we were visiting themselves that contacted UKPC and got our PCNs cancelled. From the cancellation confirmation from UKPC, it looks like they called and followed up by Email, so Bury Bowl ought to be able to do the same ... although time has gone on now.

Apparently these new scheme was 'request' by the vets and snooker hall businesses, and it seems the snooker hall is owned by the landlord. Trying to find a contact for that there is https : //www[dot]potblacksportsbar.com/ which gives a phone number of 01284 704231, or they also seem to run a golfing simulator there too https : //www[dot]thegolferslounge.co.uk which quotes the same phone number or [email protected]

 

[Sym01]

@FTMDave I have found out who owns the site 

[FTMDave]

Please spill the beans. 

This is the person/organisation to contact to call their dogs off. 

Knowing who it is will be massively important for future motorists who get caught out, as surely they will.

[Sym01]

Paul Baxter, he also owns/runs Bury Bowl.

[Sym01]

Almost scared to put this on, but this is a draft email. What else should I include? 
 

I am writing to you as I believe you are the land owner of Autopark estate, Bury st Edmunds.

I received a PCN from UKPC in March 2023 for my vehicle being parked on the estate for 29 minutes on 22/03/23. Although I admit to being the car owner at the time, I do not admit to being the driver of this vehicle. 

The vehicle and its occupants were using a business on this estate that they had been going to for 2 years. They were unaware that UKPC had taken over the running of this site and due to the poor signage and not being told on entry to the business that they needed to input details I,the owner, have now been issued with court proceedings.

I am appealing to you, as the land owner, to see if there is any way you could help cancel this PCN before it goes to court.

[FTMDave]

That's great detective work - well done.

I would cut out "Although I admit to being the car owner at the time, I do not admit to being the driver of this vehicle",  just not outing the driver is good enough.

I would also name the business and add that the business has admitted that users are sometimes not informed of the registration number regulation and also that they have admitted that UKPC's signage is inadequate.

 

[Sym01]

Thank you, amended and sent