Highview/DCB(L) ANPR PCN Claimform - Catford Island Retail Park London SE6

[fro]

Nope I did not Sir - just the standard template letter

[dx100uk]

opps 

 

[FTMDave]

My fault I'm afraid, it was me who suggested the SAR and I forgot to add to include I.D.

So you need to write back to the fleecers and restart the process with something like -

Dear Highview Parking,

Re: PCN no.XXXXX, vehicle registration no.XXXXX

thank you for your letter of XXXXX.

I note there was none of this great concern about proof of identification when you were sending out your demands for money.

However, I enclose a Council Tax bill as proof of identity.

I await your SAR response within one calendar month.

Yours, XXXXX

I say CT bill, but include what you want.  Usual free Certificate of Posting from the post office.  Do not fill in their carpy form which is designed to trap you into outing the driver and do not send the ten million forms of I.D. they demand.

They seem to be shirty about replying to a SAR so expect a battle.  It was an extremely bad idea to lose the original PCN.

[fro]

Hi Dave,

I get you, is CT bill alone enough or driver's licence too? (confirmation I was the registered keeper will not be happening cos they issued a PCN based on that)

I have the original PCN which I posted at the start of the thread, does that make a difference?

[dx100uk]

ctax bill.. how do they know your sig or what you look like, they could be fake even.

none of their business your sig nor photo.

dx

 

 

[FTMDave]

The best thing is to send the letter drafted on Thursday, if you haven't already done so, and if the fleecers are obstructive we can cross that bridge later.

[fro]

Hello All,

I spoke to the Mrs during the week and the scammers sent me a response to the CPR - I can post it when I am settled. 

But in summary they sent me 

• copies of the PCN (only the ones to my former address, no recent ones) - and maybe they ran out of ink as a major section of it is blank ,
• pictures of the car park (All pictures are from 2021 except for one google image showing captured 2019.)
• wordings on their signage

so 3 things were meant to be addressed 

 1. The contract between Highview Parking Limited and the landowner of Catford Island Retail that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public and make claims in their own name.

 2. Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and Country Planning Act 2007

 3. Copies of the notice to driver, notice to keeper and any other correspondence from Highview Parking Limited & DCB Legal Ltd to the defendant that they intend to rely upon in court.

They probably addressed the point 3 at best.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by fro

[dx100uk]

CPR is NOT compulsory so they've sent you what they want to for now.

they WILL have to exhibit copies of everything they intend to rely upon as exhibits in their Witness statement. if they dont bottle it before then and discontinue the claim.

dx

 

[fro]

Thanks for your response dx

I see - cos I was beginning to wonder what letter they are responding to 

[FTMDave]

So as you have the CPR you can forget about the SAR as it's not important now.

They never send proof of planning permission - because they haven't applied for planning permission.  So you can embarrass them in your WS.

They never send the contract - but as dx says they will have to in their WS.

Can you please upload the PCN and the pix?

[fro]

Ok - I haven't responded to the SAR yet - I was going to send something this weekend. 

So by the looks of things there is nothing further to do from my side

pls see attached

 

letter and old PCN.pdf pic and signs.pdf

[FTMDave]

The point of the SAR was to get hold of the missing paperwork, but that has now turned up via CPR.

Unless you particularly want to have a row with them about all the unnecessary and laughable obstacles they put in front of you when requesting a SAR, the SAR can be forgotten about.

They really are absolute morons.  They've actually volunteered photos of their rubbish signage.  Signs in tiny writing in the stratosphere above two much more prominent signs.  I particularly love "Image Capture - June 2019".  You were there in October 2018!!!  So good of them to admit they have no proof of any signs at all being present when you were there!

I know it's five years ago, and a real long shot, but can you remember why you were there?  Were you in any particular shop, or at the McDonald's?

[fro]

yeah I know  some part of me wants to wind them up some more - but I will leave it.

I cannot remember why I would be there for that long and also being a Monday. I would go through Bank statements see if a find a clue

[brassnecked]

With a well thought out WS they are mknackered image capture June 2019 as Dave says, it undermines their case as its definitely not proof that was in place previous year.

[fro]

 they have that thanks to google images - the best they could do independently is April 2021

[lookinforinfo]

Could you please post up the whole original PCN front and back as a small part of it looks as if it does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 which governs the private parking sector.

If it does not comply then only the driver is responsible for the charge and the keeper is not liable to pay the charge at all. Even if you were the driver they still have to provide some sort  of evidence  that you were driving since the Courts do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person. And of course any one of thousands of motorists are able to drive your car providing they have a valid motor insurance policy.

[fro]

Hi @lookinforinfo

This is in post #3 page 1 -  I tried to link it but failed

 

[fro]

Hello All,

Got a letter from DCB yesterday dated the 29th Sept, that their client intends to proceed with the claim.

easier just to upload - see attached

 

 

Proceed letter.pdf questioniare.pdf

[Nicky Boy]

Early "copy" DQ's are getting to be a regular intimidation tactic.

Imagine some poor, ignorant, John Doe getting this one... "My god!... I have to attend Court in Runcorn?!"

[fro]

Hello Caggers,

Does it take this long to hear back from the courts? I'm worried I may have missed something - I don't want these fleecers to win on technicalities.

[brassnecked]

Might be a backlog you could always give thenm a call .

[dx100uk]

why do you need to write/call?

just look at the claim history on mcol

have dq n180's even been sent out by the court?

copy and paste claim history here please

dx

 

[fro]

I will try again later the site wont take me anywhere - going in a loop between logout and login page

[fro]

A claim was issued against you on 04/08/2023

Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 13/08/2023 at 16:39:28

Your acknowledgment of service was received on 14/08/2023 at 08:05:17

Your defence was submitted on 01/09/2023 at 10:16:14

Your defence was received on 01/09/2023 at 12:05:16

[FTMDave]

Good news.

So the court has done nothing since defence stage.

As Nick said -

On 06/10/2023 at 13:10, Nicky Boy said:

Early "copy" DQ's are getting to be a regular intimidation tactic.