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    • Northmonk forget what I said about your Notice to Hirer being the best I have seen . Though it  still may be  it is not good enough to comply with PoFA. Before looking at the NTH, we can look at the original Notice to Keeper. That is not compliant. First the period of parking as sated on their PCN is not actually the period of parking but a misstatement  since it is only the arrival and departure times of your vehicle. The parking period  is exactly that -ie the time youwere actually parked in a parking spot.  If you have to drive around to find a place to park the act of driving means that you couldn't have been parked at the same time. Likewise when you left the parking place and drove to the exit that could not be describes as parking either. So the first fail is  failing to specify the parking period. Section9 [2][a] In S9[2][f] the Act states  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN fails to mention the words in parentheses despite Section 9 [2]starting by saying "The notice must—..." As the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Act,  it follows that the Notice to Hirer cannot be pursued as they couldn't get the NTH compliant. Even if the the NTH was adjudged  as not  being affected by the non compliance of the NTK, the Notice to Hirer is itself not compliant with the Act. Once again the PCN fails to get the parking period correct. That alone is enough to have the claim dismissed as the PCN fails to comply with PoFA. Second S14 [5] states " (5)The notice to Hirer must— (a)inform the hirer that by virtue of this paragraph any unpaid parking charges (being parking charges specified in the notice to keeper) may be recovered from the hirer; ON their NTH , NPE claim "The driver of the above vehicle is liable ........" when the driver is not liable at all, only the hirer is liable. The driver and the hirer may be different people, but with a NTH, only the hirer is liable so to demand the driver pay the charge  fails to comply with PoFA and so the NPE claim must fail. I seem to remember that you have confirmed you received a copy of the original PCN sent to  the Hire company plus copies of the contract you have with the Hire company and the agreement that you are responsible for breaches of the Law etc. If not then you can add those fails too.
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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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the idiots have send a SAR to my email address.

 

Date: 10th October 2023 

Our Reference: ##########

 Dear #### #####

 Re:         Our Client: UK Parking Control Limited (UKPC)

Claim Number: ########

 We write in response to your Subject Access Request (SAR) received on 12th September 2023. 

 We can confirm that the personal data DCB Legal hold on file for you is as follows: - 

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this appears to be a new tactic by DCB(L) 

to what end i'm not sure, could be an office newbie as i guessed before in another thread ,b ut i don't so.

 

@FTMDave i think we need to now add a line to our default PPC CRP 31.14 Template stating clearly this is not a Subject Access Request (SAR) .

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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there is nothing to ignore

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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16 hours ago, dx100uk said:

@FTMDave i think we need to now add a line to our default PPC CRP 31.14 Template stating clearly this is not a Subject Access Request (SAR) .

Point taken dx.  Sorry for the late reply.

@mystic_bertie Can you upload the content of the SAR?

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yes read upload

use the sites listed there.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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That's a pathetic response to a SAR.

That's on top of the fact you didn't send a SAR, you sent a CPR request.

Anyway, better that way, in your WS you can show you sent a CPR, they replied, and they didn't send any of the information, meaning you conclude that the don't have a proper contract with the landowner or planning permission.

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On 04/10/2023 at 18:02, dx100uk said:

pers i would be writing to them and stating the your only method of comms is in Writing by royal mail

ALL phone numbers & emails are to be deleted from their files and not used for any comms regarding our mutual claim.

 

On 04/10/2023 at 18:19, mystic_bertie said:

dx many thanks for your reply. I will send them a letter in the near future just as you suggested. I'm in the middle of packing and moving as per my eviction thread. I always redirect my mail anyway.

 

On 04/10/2023 at 20:18, brassnecked said:

Then just make sure they have your postal address and send a letter with it on a heading that  you don't accept comms by phone txt or email, with free proof of posting.

 

On 05/10/2023 at 00:19, mystic_bertie said:

brassnecked many thanks for your reply, i will get that sent after i move house

SOOOO, WHY ARE THEY STILL SENDING EMAILS?

According to DCBL's latest missive they got the OP's tel number and email from his defence form??!!

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just a thought.

you did use mcol to submit your defence not send the n9 form in the post ?

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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If you didn't send a letter telling them not to use email do it now, and get a free proof of posting.

 

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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@Nicky Boy thanks for your reply. I am about to write them a letter as i have just moved house and i was very very busy so its something im about to do. I changed my address on the mcol site already ;)

@dx100uk i did use the mcol site as per the instructions but silly me forgot to omit my number. ;)

@brassnecked thanks for your reply, i was in the middle of a house move but i will now send them a letter asking them not to use my email or number. ;)

I have printed the letter, as per you guys instructions, i shall find an envelope and post it asap. ;)

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2nd class, free Certificate of Posting.

Two birds one stone, give them your new address too so they don't try sending stuff to your old address knowing you'll never get it.

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wait for N180 from the court.

 

They will send you a copy at some point. 

 

Although I notice the DQ they sent doesn't have the question about determination without a hearing or not

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Usual scare tactic. "woo hoo! it's gonna co to court!"

Check mcol.

Post up a screenshot here.

It also looks like they got your letter about not using email...

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yes quite usual for them to send their proposed n180 simply too intimidate you .

in just about every pcn claimform thread already here

dx

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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@jk2054 Thanks for your reply. ill wait for the N180 and report back ;)

 

@Nicky Boy Many thanks for your reply. I have attached pics of the mcol website, there does not appear to be any new updates. ;)

 

@dx100uk many thanks for your reply and information ;)

mcol says:

~ A claim was issued against you on 24/08/ 2023
~ Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 04/ 09/ 20 23 at 20 : 15:58
~ Your acknowledgment of service was received on 05/09/ 2023 at 08 :05:23
~ Your defence was submitted on 21/09/ 2023 at Ll :46 :21
~ Your defence was received on 22/09/ 2023 at 08:05: 18

 

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