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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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Dear friends

We bought this house back in Dec 2018.

We had immediately started a direct debit with E-ON to charge us for electricity just as we moved in Dec 2018. I also remember paying E-On other bigger sums upon receiving some random bills via post during that time. (I will gather all the documents today and will update)

Our house sits next doors to a massive chicken farm like structure that is perhaps owned by the people who sold us our house. This chicken farm is a huge building and farm vehicles are seen come and go occasionally. We are unsure who owns it and what the building is being used for other than it being locked most of the time.

At the time we purchased the house, there was only one electric meter that supplied both properties (our house as well as the chicken farm next doors). This meter sat in the chicken farm. Neither E-ON nor we could record any actual readings. It was mostly locked and any activity there was unpredictable. Therefore, we kept being charged an average of £58 by E-ON. We tried to get the estate agents to help us with this to no avail. We once tried talking to a couple who were unloading some household goods into this building but it turned out that those may have perhaps been squatters.

Meanwhile, on 27th July 2020, we had E-ON install our very own (smart) meter on our property. E-ON then closed the old A/c and started charging us via our new A/c associated with the new meter.

Things have been going smoothly till last week when we received a massive bill of £3277.28 by E-ON with the old account number that we had closed. (image)

Upon calling E-ON, we were directed to speak to Eon-Next instead as it seems we are now Eon-Next customers. We finally figured out that we need to speak to E-ON to have this sorted as Eon-Next cannot handle this and have nothing to do with this case.

Finally, getting through to an E-ON representative we were told that this bill ‘could be’ for the duration when our electricity was being supplied by the meter that sat at the Chicken Farms. They suggested we call them on the 21st when they may try to look into it for us.

Please could any kind soul walk us through this. We are truly grateful to everyone here on Consumer Action for being there for people like us. May god bless you all. I have not slept well since I got this bill.

Many many thanks

Autumn

 

 

 

2021-12-01 revised final bill.pdf

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Start off by sending them an SAR. This is important and you should get it off today. Send it off to aeon and also one to your new supplier.

Also please look up the backbilling code 

WWW.OFGEM.GOV.UK

Back bills are sent to you by your gas or electricity supplier when you've not been accurately charged. A guide to your rights.

 

But the gist of it is that they are only allowed to back bill you for 12 months usage – assuming that any errors or failure to take readings is theirs.

You need to begin with a subject access request. This is the starting point with any dispute with utilities companies

Also when you post documents, please can you make sure that they are the right way up and properly presented.

 

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Thanks a lot for your prompt help BankFodder. My apologies about the orientation of the image.

 

So I should not send an SAR yet?

 

Also, their bill doesn't have a date or a time period. 

 

Should I write this to E-On ....

 

"This is in reference to your letter/bill dated 1st Dec 2021. Kindly note that this account has been closed

since September 2020 and all dues have been cleared via direct debit for the said account."

 

 

 

 

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My typo. You must send a subject access request straightaway.

Don't start talking about closed accounts et cetera simply use our template and amended to suit your purposes but keep it extremely wide. In other words when I say amend it, simply put dates or reference numbers et cetera.

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Nothing they can do, just speculating you might owe old extra on old bills when you were on the shed meter because now they can see you are using more on avg now, so must have then.

they cant backbill..end of.

stop talking on the phone.

when can you switch from them?

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Click the word SAR.here or in your post above

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Thanks a lot for this. I have written the letter and signed it. I will use the Royal Mail with free proof of posting as suggested. I hope I am using the exact address for this purpose ...

 

Customer Service Centre,

E. ON,

PO BOX 7750,

Nottingham

NG1 6WR

 

Also unfortunately, our post office is now closed and I can only send this on Monday. I hope this doesn't worsen things for me.

 

Thanks 

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It cant worsen anything

you dont owe the sum anyway, stop falling for their bs.

 

type in eon in our search red baNner top right and read their games!!

 

When could you switch?

 

Dx

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi thanks dx. Yes I am reading some of the threads there. Some of it just broke my heart. Awfully unethical. Endless number of complaints. So many pages of it.

 

PS : Yes I think we'll switch for sure. Hopefully once this is resolved. Thanks DX100

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Why cant you switch now...

remove their options.

 

Dx

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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and they can't use that revised final bill on another 'property' to stop it.

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi again friends,

 

I sent the SAR yesterday first thing in the morning via Royal Mail Signed For service. 

 

Will be switching to a different supplier today when I get a break.

 

I was asked by E-On Representative to ring them back in 14 days time when I spoke to them on the 8th to see if their accounts department has any update for me about the bill.

 

1. Should I make this call before or after switching suppliers? 

2. Will it be advisable to make this call at all?

 

Also, I must thank you people again. It is very reassuring to have people with robust advice a few clicks away. I have used this forum before and have benefited a great deal. Selfless people taking time out of their busy lives offering help is priceless.

 

Autumn

xx

 

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You should only make calls if you have read our customer services guide and implement the advice there.

Best practice – you should not make calls at all and if they ask you to call them, a you are best advised to tell them that if they have something to say then they should put it in writing.

Probably best off and wait until you see what the SAR returns.

Keep a tight deadline on this. The moment they don't comply at the end of 30 days then let us know.

Make sure you read our SAR advice on assessing what they have sent you – the things they have sent you are extremely important. The things that they failed to send you might be more important.

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BankFodder, thanks very much. I have duly noted everything. I have read the SAR advice too.

 

I will not make any calls as I too feel all communications must be on paper from here on. Thanks again.

Will update once I have the SAR paperwork to hand. 

Autumn

xx

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switch as soon as you can remove eon's options over you.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi

 

dx100uk

I have been trying to switch for a few days now but almost all suppliers are unable to give us an equivalent tariff due to volatility of the current market.

 

We are getting messages as in the attached image from everyone on all comparison sites. It seems impossible unless we go for an exorbitant monthly charge perhaps.

 

Please could you advise. Autumn 

 

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You wont but imho you are poss in danger of them either cutting you off or loading you smart meter with this debt and there is nowt to stop them.

though why have they not already done this? And weve not heard of other suppliers doing it either. And its not for the same property either.

 

Bgas are do ing fixed tariff till 2023 at a good rate.

 

you might not need  too i could be over cautious.

 

DX

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks a lot dx. I will try British Gas again during lunch. 

 

It is not just a different address, it is also a different account number and it is no longer E-ON it is E-ON Next now. But I will switch anyway just in case they try something cheeky. 

 

Thanks

Autumn

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Sar is 30 days

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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dont you bother reading the letters you send???

bit like not bothering to self help by reading like threads here as awell...???

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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