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    • I've read loads of old messages about what to do but feel my case is different, it's a bit of a back story so ill break it down. - Had a letter from an Italian province in July of 2020 for a speeding offence in 2019 for 575 euros, was in a hire car I used for work, no longer work for them and heard nothing from either. - Thought blimey, but went to pay it anyway, it had doubled to over 1100 euros, yeah I can't afford paying that, filled out the attached information sheet to say it was me driving but I have no money or job due to COVID (true story) and sent it back (durrrr) - Heard nothing until December of 2023, a letter from an appointed solicitor from Florence saying if I don't pay, we will chase you through the legal system with costs beared to you. - May of this year, I get a letter from CLI (Credit Limits International) basically saying they have been appointed to carry out the collection, £1475. - Stupidly, I started the 'three letter process' asking for proof etc, and they replied a few days ago with a copy of the fines I had received from Italy, they stated the debt has no terms and conditions as it relates to a fine in Italy and the debt is not subject to the Consumer Credit agreement. I translate that to "at the moment we don't own the debt and have been given authority from Italy to pursue the debt". That is where I am currently at, I would begrudge giving in and paying an obscene amount. As seen from similar threads, I know a threat of a visit is coming, followed by a threat of court action, but annoyingly it hasn't been mentioned how these cases were concluded and the threads are now locked. I've read to ignore them, but can't help but feel that because it's such a substantial amount that they will feel it's worthy of pursuing this no matter the hoops they have to jump through. Along with admitting it was me driving and opening the can of worms by contacting the DCA, it wouldn't look good for me should it ever get to a courtroom.  Has anyone with previous experience managed to 'get away with it'? Anyone know what they're capable of other than nagging me? I'm not after any moral judgment.
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    • hi all, i will list my curmcumstance first then list the details of the penalty charge - we are 2 diabled people being affected by the cost of living crisis and are skint etc. i am disabled with mobility issues(arthritis in knees and ankles and gout) and cant operate car pedals anymore so i let a friend up the road use my car in exchange for her driving me about. its a good arrangement as i get a 'chauffer' and she gets the use of car. the car is parked in her drive which is better as i was refused a disabled space (even on appeal) and too much congestion to park the car outside my house. my friend is vulnerable as she has suffered depression and suicidal thoughts since the loss of her mother a few years back, she is dyslexic, she is a carer for one of her sons that is disabled due to mental illness and mobility. she lives in a council house and cannot work. we went to iceland ..attracted by the 10items for £10 offer - we've never been there before. a large artic lorry was parked accross the car park blocking the view of one of the parking signs and blocking the disabled bays where the pay&display machine is. by the time she helped me out of the car and then went to see if it was pay&display then came back to me at the car she said she thinks it was pay even for disabled, so we looked for change in the car which we didnt have (she normally goes asda which dont need to pay for parking)so then we said we'd either go get change or go to asda...so then by the time it took her to help me back in and get out the car park took 15 minutes...5 minutes overstay past the 10minutes grace. the letter from excel parking came through and i sent it back giving her name as driver (before i saw on here that you shouldnt name the driver) then i appealed explaining what happened (lorry blocking etc) and even said we were being descriminated (advised by citizen advice)as we are disabled and 15minutes is not long enough for a crippled disabled man and a woman with dyslexia to read and understandd the sign and get out, then back in the car and look for change then get out the car park in 15minutes. i even explained she was a vulnerable person on anti-depressants and even sent a photo of medication and said if you need a doctors note then let me know....the appeal was rejected. i've emailed iceland over 50 times and they just wont tell excel to cancel this charge - they are ignorant and ive even asked them why they have a webpage saying 'iceland combatting the cost of living crisis' pretending to help their customers and they wont comment...they'd rather put more stress and anxiety on an already suicidal vulnerable person just to get money out of them..so their 'help' during this crisis is a lie as it wont even extend to disabled customers. she has now received 2 letters from DCBL saying she owes £170 for 5minutes of overstay. the last one is a final demand. as she cant read or write very well ive sent a recorded letter to DCBL (as advised by citizen advice) asking not to attend the property due to a vulnerable woman inside the property as it will only exasperate the situation, they have ignored it and basically said we dont care, you still owe. could anyone please advise - we are not very good with letters or these situations and are slow on the uptake.   1 The date of infringement? 28th dec 2023   2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? [Y/N?] yes   If you have then please post up whatever you sent and how you sent it and the date you sent it, suitably redacted. [as a PDF- follow the upload guide]cant do that - will have to get my son to do it when he visits   Has there been a response? yes   Please AS A PDF FILE  ONLY ..post it up as well, suitably redacted. - follow the upload guide]cant do that - will have to get my son to do it when he visits   If you haven't appealed yet - .........DONT ! seek advice on your topic first.   Have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days] yes   What date is on it? 15th january 2024   Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? yes   [scan up BOTHSIDES to ONE PDF of the PCN and your NTK - follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'scant do that - will have to get my son to do it when he visits   3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) [Y/N?] not on the front - maybe on the back but cannot find the letter now   4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process? [it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances] yes   5 Who is the parking company? excel   6. Where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? gravesend in iceland    
    • Hi Dave, I had no updates on this PCN since my last post in July 2019.  I received no further communications from the parking company.  I changed my address in May 2022. Thanks, I will send a letter to Excel parking to inform about the change in the address. 
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Yes, it would be ridiculous for your parents to actually travel to the hearing from another country.

 

However, three short written WSs to me seem a good idea.  They can be included as exhibits in your main WS.

 

Yes, put 1 in E3.

 

 

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I am going to put the following in D1 - Suitability for determination without hearing

 

This hearing is in regards to the issuing of a speculative charge for parking on private land with significant factual dispute and complexity that requires oral evidence and advocacy.

 

How's that sound?

 

 

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Urm..

is there really worth here in using 2 statements backing up the 'look i paid' claim, at the expense of a paperwork only hearing? I doubt it pers.

 

It screams of im lying and i need backup.

its not really a very important point anyway.

 

Dx

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just say on the papers unacceptable as you wish to challenge their Claim in person.

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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Dx100 I will be evidencing the facts that their payment system was not working correctly at the time of my visits.

 

1. I attempted to pay on 15th Oct within 24hrs of picking my parents up. As per their signage.

2. I also then attempted to pay for the return drop off when leaving my parents back on 18th Oct.

3. I called NCP on 20th Oct as I was concerned that no receipt or money had been taken for either visit. In that call the representative told me that he could see I had paid for my last visit, but he was unable to go more than 3days back on his system to check the other payment (dubious). Despite me being told that the visit on 18th Oct was paid for, no money ever came out of my account, nor a receipt received by email. 

4. If payment was not taken from my account for both visits on 14th & 18th October. Why have I only received one PCN? Should they still maintain that I made a payment on the 18th, I can show relevant bank statements to prove nothing was.

 

So I will evidence the failure of payment being taken by their system by producing my bank statement, the phone call to rectify the matter on the 20th Oct by itemised call records from my phone provider and my attempt to pay online for the visit their PCN is relevant to with simple signed witness statements from those who were present with me when I did it on my phone. I cannot witness this in any other way, as far as I can see?

 

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Dx100. I just messaged you directly. But realised really what I asked you would be beneficial to other readers of this thread in the same position as myself to know.

 

Can I clarify - are you advising that I do not include a signatured copy of the N180 to BWLegal? As well as omitting my mobile & email address. Only supply these details in the N180 going back to the CCBC in Northampton.

 

If yes, could you explain why my signature needs to be left out in your view? When the form states it must be signed.

 

Happy to send an unsigned one, but just wanted to make sure this doesn't give them something to latch onto and use against me.

 

 

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I personally cant see a problem in signing the N180 in this type of claim ...there is no credit agreement involved....so your signature is of no use.

 

Andy 

 

 

 

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Thanks Andy. That's what I thought. They have my sig on several other letters I have sent and their data team have my email from my SAR case. But I will leave it off the N180 anyway, as they should have no need for that or my mobile.

 

I have sent the CCBC one off already, as that's potentially the most crucial one to arrive on time. I have FPoP for that.

 

I will do the same for BWLegal later today.

 

 

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I think dx means to sign the copy to the court, but not sign the fleecers' copy (so they can't get up to any forgery with your signature).

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What could they possibly achieve with a forged signature in this type of claim FTM ?  It is a legal requirement to sign the N180/181 on both copies  but we only recommend not signing the claimants copy when there is a credit agreement involved which in this type of claim there isn't ?

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The n180 info is generic to all claimform threads, of which as andyorch points out, are mostly credit claims, which are better not signed on their copy 

 

Might create an additional one for PPC claims.

 

As for routinely signing things back to the fleecers or their dogs , like a snotty letter, you should simply PC type your name. IMHO. They are not court related.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I posted the 2nd copy to BWLegal yesterday by 3pm and got free proof of postage.

 

I came home to the N180 from BWLegal arriving by post. Their form appears to be different to mine... No section E? Also they are stating that '0' witnesses will attend the hearing to give evidence??

 

See attached pdf for your inspection. Comments welcome.

 

 

BWL:NCPN180.pdf

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Possibly just a page missing

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Yes yours is the updated one to incorporate paper hearing....theirs is the old one.

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Thanks guys.

 

So I assume it means nothing that they've used an old form.

 

No doubt one they have it generically filled in by 'Rohan' who probably doesn't exist, for easy sending.

 

Still intrigued as to how they plan to defend themselves when they are sending 0 people to do so?

 

 

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they always make that mistake, they think it means OTHER witnesses not their rep.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just to clarify they will have counsel or other representation ....witness does not apply to claimants/Solicitor.

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Please post the documents you got in reply to the SAR on this thread when you get a minute.

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Hi Peeps.

 

Sorry I didn't get this up yesterday. I never actually got a chance.

 

I have created a PDF file of what was sent minus all the usual info we are all used to on their PCNs, the photo evidence with my VRN on it and my response letter they have kept on file to their LoC. This is all here on this thread already

 

I have the same for my two other PCNs that are on a different thread. Do I need to load up the PCNs that I have already loaded up. Or just SAR report at the beginnning. I will load them up to the relevant thread.

 

NCP-SAR07-10-22.pdf

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FTMDave, 

 

Basically no mention of my phone call. So we are good there to proceed as solely keeper of the vehicle.

 

Is there anything in the fact that on all the PCNs they have clearly requested my Keeper details from DVLA well after there 14day period?

NCP-SAR07-10-22redacted.pdf

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My turn for the under-the-cosh-at-work line.  I knock off at 11pm UK time so promise to have a good look through everything then.

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