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    • The property was our family home.  A fixed low rate btl/ development loan was given (last century!). It was derelict. Did it up/ was rented out for a while.  Then moved in/out over the years (mostly around school)  It was a mix of rental and family home. The ad-hoc rents covered the loan amply.  Nowadays  banks don't allow such a mix.  (I have written this before.) Problems started when the lease was extended and needed to re-mortgage to cover the expense.  Wanted another btl.  Got a tenant in situ. Was located elsewhere (work). A broker found a btl lender, they reneged.  Broker didn't find another btl loan.  The tenant was paying enough to cover the proposed annual btl mortgage in 4 months. The broker gave up trying to find another.  I ended up on a bridge and this disastrous path.  (I have raised previous issues about the broker) Not sure what you mean by 'split'.  The property was always leasehold with a separate freeholder  The freeholder eventually sold the fh to another entity by private agreement (the trust) but it's always been separate.  That's quite normal.  One can't merge titles - unless lease runs out/ is forfeited and new one is not created/ granted. The bridge lender had a special condition in loan offer - their own lawyer had to check title first.  Check that lease wasn't onerous and there was nothing that would affect good saleability.  The lawyer (that got sacked for dishonesty) signed off the loan on the basis the lease and title was good and clean.  The same law firm then tried to complain the lease clauses were onerous and the lease too short, even though the loan was to cover a 90y lease extension!! 
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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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I have recently moved and seemed to have forgot to change the address with the DVLA. I now have my license in my new address and have got this in the post today.

I've been a member here for years and had a few run ins with these types of firm, the difference is, they were always for tickets in my own space. Also, I had the original ticket sent and followed along the route of cease and desist letters.

This is in a private car park and honestly, I can't remember much about it. I can't remember if the machine was broken, I overstayed or I just didn't get one.

Any advice would be greatly received.

 

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Can you please delete the letter and then follow our upload guide and upload it as PDF?

 

Images posted direct to threads can be read by anyone, both registered Caggers and not.  PDF can be read by site members only - best to keep the fleecers guessing!

 

Meanwhile - don't worry, what you've received is hot air from paper tigers.  More after the upload.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - The Willows Centre Main. DR+ DCA letter to new address

ok i've done the image to pdf bit as you had pers info showing.

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write to ECP and simply refer to the PCN Number and state only

 

please note my new address as above.

 

if you could please forward new copies of all previous letters as they went to my old address and i have nothing until DR+ just wrote to me.

 

see what they do.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Plus read dx's signature.  The idiots who have written to you have no power to increase the invoice by £70 or to do anything else ever.  They're just trying it on.

 

Also make sure your address is changed with the DVLA not just for the licence but for the vehicle too - otherwise you could potentially get a grand's fine.

We could do with some help from you.

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Thanks for the info. I have drafted a letter requesting more info and will send recorded delivery. Also, seem to have picked up another and have been sent another request for £145 for a separate 'offence' from Horizon.

I have copied and pasted the other letter to them too.

Should I be sending anything to DR+? or just wait for the parking firms to ignore me first?

 

Thanks for the help all and apologies for the wrong format in the original upload.

 

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And complete our q&a again please

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As post 4, ignore Debt Recovery Plus.

 

You've told the PPC your correct address so that is sorted.

 

Do I take it they refused to send you a copy of the original PCN?

 

 

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Didn't receive anything else except the second, increased fine when I requested the original PCN.

Although, this did give me the ticket details. I'd parked there the week before and paid. This was a follow up appointment with an optician and the machine had a black sack over it. The fact, I didn't get a parking ticket to stay there, reminded me of this.

Thanks for all the help, I'll just keep ignoring them then.

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FINE?

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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All they're doing at the moment is getting paper tigers to send silly letters, nowt to worry about.  However, as they've been so arrogant as to refuse to send you a copy of the PCN, you might want to SAR them.  It's free and they'd be forced to do some work.

 

Did you get a photo of the knackered machine with the black sack over it?

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Not fine, ticket for parking in the carpark. £2 or whatever its was. Never paid a PCN yet, thanks to this site.

 

Didn't take a photo of it. Silly of me in hindsight. They're such blood suckers I shouldve.

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I doubt there is any connection between parking last weekend and the letter.

If this debt exists the dispute is between you and Euro Car parks.  No-one else.  ZZPS are an uninterested third party with no power to do anything so laugh at them and ignore them.

From the place, company and date it looks like this ticket, right?  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/431369-ecp-anpr-pcn-the-willows-centre-main-dr-dca-letter-to-new-address/#comment-5097894

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So that's why I couldn't merge the threads - dx beat me to it!

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Oh no!

If you don't pay - they will tell someone else to write you a new letter.

How can you sleep tonight with this grand, apocalyptic threat hanging over you?

Your balance will increase in paragraph two but in paragraph three only may increase.

"The balance owed will increase as a result of us instruction the solicitors".  Aye, right.  I'm an English teacher so I think I'll write to them to offer to correct their letter templates for £100.  I wouldn't even have to do the work.  I could ask a child in the first year of primary school to do it.

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please remember to logically name your uploads see how ive renamed your here to date now

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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