Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

on a similar side note

 

I understand its been leaked that a secret society cloned Jacinda Ardern and sped up the growth of the clone for her to take over the leadership of the UK in a moral honest way

. YAYYYYYY

 

but the society was infiltrated and the clone was sent to Eton

- and we ended up with Doris

[tobyjugg2]

‘Serious concerns’ over Covid booster rollout as GPs say they can’t afford to offer jabs

Doctors have raised “serious concerns” about the autumn rollout of Covid boosters as GPs warn a cut in government funding means many can no longer afford to offer jabs.   The UK Health Security Agency announced it will offer a new Omicron-specific jab, by Moderna, to over-50s, as part of its latest vaccination programme due to start in September. But leaders of major GP practices have told The Independent that reduced funding at a time of rising costs and staff shortages makes the jab “unviable”. The British Medical Association (BMA) has said it has “serious concerns” about how a drop in GPs offering jabs would affect the vaccination programme and called for the funding to be increased.   The contract for GPs to deliver vaccines this autumn has been cut from £12.58 per dose to £10.06, while a £10 supplement for them to give jabs in care homes and to other vulnerable groups has also been cut.   - Inde link embedded in headline

[tobyjugg2]

Far from over : Here we are, middle of a VERY hot dry summer, yet:

Patients admitted

Latest 7 days

6697 — COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital, in the 7 days up to Monday, 8 August 2022.
 

Total

828104 — COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital, reported up to Monday, 8 August 2022.
 

 

Patients in hospital : 8487

Patients in ventilation beds : 216

[honeybee13]

That's very sad about cutting payment for offering vaccines and doesn't say a lot fo HMG's priorities. I hope this is more of a negotiating tactic and that an arrangement can be reached. I wonder if pharmacies could take up some of the slack, but maybe they won't take well to having the payment cut.

[theoldrouge]

https://london-post.co.uk/leading-cardiologist-calls-for-end-to-covid-vaccine-mandates/

 

Didn’t see the quoted interview myself 

But it would seem that there is an uncomfortable relationship between the UK  Vaccine Regulators and the pharmaceutical companies 

 

 

[honeybee13]

It's no surprise that this is from GB News. AFAIK none of the doctors is a virologist, you have an oncologist who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, a cardiologist, a chair of a medical committee and another cardiologist.

 

Clearly I'm no expert, I don't know If our @BazzaS is around to give us a more informed opinion.

[tobyjugg2]

That interview as quoted is simply full of crap.

 

Trying to tie reduction in uptake of MMR to covid vaccines

- despite those refusing the MMR increasing before covid was ever heard of

 

Deliberate misrepresentation, and simple horseshit used in 'statistical claims there

- either deliberately - or by someone utterly clueless on basic stats

 

Largely what you should expect from far right nut news

 

 

So @theoldrouge

You haven't explained to us yet why anti-vaxers are largely also climate science deniers and also tend to hold to many of the 'conspiracy-nut-sphere' crazyness

 

Yours sssinssserely

Sol system Lizard Uberlord Draxx (currently shape shifted into a TobyJugg)

 

happy to discuss the real issues sensibly with someone who shows some sense

many of which have already been raised here

Edited August 17, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Difficult as the issues around mandates are, some real stuff to 'balance' @theoldrouge and his three guys and a dog coaxed in with a treat report

 

 

COVID-19: mandatory vaccine guidance

WWW.BMA.ORG.UK

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Our response to the Government's announcement that all healthcare staff in England must be fully vaccinated by April 2022.

 

 

 

and if you read this, read it too the end

 

A century-old vaccine offers new hope

The Bacillus-Calmette-Guerin vaccine against tuberculosis, developed in the early 1900s, seems to train the immune system to respond to infectious diseases, including viruses, bacteria and parasites. As new threats like monkeypox and polio re-emerge and the coronavirus continues to evolve, it has gained renewed interest among scientists.

The results of clinical trials on the vaccine conducted during the pandemic are coming in, and the findings, while mixed, are encouraging. One such trial of 144 participants found that people with Type 1 diabetes who had received several B.C.G. injections were far less likely to develop Covid-19 compared with those who had received dummy shots.

Although the trial was relatively small, “the results are as dramatic as for the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines,” said Dr. Denise Faustman, the study’s lead author. Participants generally experienced fewer bouts of illness, she added. The vaccine “seems to be resetting the immune response of the host to be more alert, to be more primed, not as sluggish.”

Caution: Other trials have had more disappointing results. A Dutch study of 1,500 health care workers who were vaccinated with B.C.G. found no reduction in Covid infections, and a South African study of 1,000 health care workers found no effect from B.C.G. on Covid incidence or severity.   -NYT

[theoldrouge]

53 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

That interview as quoted is simply full of crap.

 

Trying to tie reduction in uptake of MMR to covid vaccines

- despite those refusing the MMR increasing before covid was ever heard of

 

Deliberate misrepresentation, and simple horseshit used in 'statistical claims there

- either deliberately - or by someone utterly clueless on basic stats

 

Largely what you should expect from far right nut news

 

 

So @theoldrouge

You haven't explained to us yet why anti-vaxers are largely also climate science deniers and also tend to hold to many of the 'conspiracy-nut-sphere' crazyness

 

Yours sssinssserely

Sol system Lizard Uberlord Draxx (currently shape shifted into a TobyJugg)

 

happy to discuss the real issues sensibly with someone who shows some sense

many of which have already been raised here

As I never have been an anti vaxer, I have never looked into your theory on the matter 

Though having said that, it’s interesting that you refer to a leading cardiologist as full of horseshit and crap

I was rather more hoping that there may have been a considered reply as to why and for what reason, pharmaceutical companies are funding 86% of the UK Vaccine Regulator

[honeybee13]

I suppose it could be a bit like financial funds funding the FCA.

 

The BMJ did a study on what you're talking about in June this year, it sounds quite detailed. The link should take to a pdf.

From FDA to MHRA: are drug regulators for hire? - The BMJ

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

 

Though having said that, it’s interesting that you refer to a leading cardiologist as full of horseshit and crap

 

I also thought the nobel prize winning quantum tunneling guy was full of crap with his opinions on climate change which also flew in the face of the statements and belief of the vast majority of scientists and Nobel prize winners

- like your referred 'pal - except he isnt a Nobel prize winner ..

 

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

I was rather more hoping that there may have been a considered reply as to why and for what reason,

 

Whats wrong with the BMA link I posted as a reasoned response?

 

Want me to comment on you guys statement that vaccination doesn't prevent an infected person shedding virus?

- Antone with a clue expected that to be the case even before it was proven loooong ago - there was never any reason to think that wasn't going to be the case, and should always have been the default until proven otherwise.

More importantly - that IS NOT an excuse to not get vaccinated - its a REASON to require masks to be worn

 

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Joke for you

Quantum Tunneling - making something out of maybe something, maybe nothing, maybe something ...

[theoldrouge]

16 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

I also thought the nobel prize winning quantum tunneling guy was full of crap with his opinions on climate change which also flew in the face of the statements and belief of the vast majority of scientists and Nobel prize winners

- like your referred 'pal - except he isnt a Nobel prize winner ..

 

 

Whats wrong with the BMA link I posted as a reasoned response?

 

Want me to comment on you guys statement that vaccination doesn't prevent an infected person shedding virus?

- Antone with a clue expected that to be the case even before it was proven loooong ago - there was never any reason to think that wasn't going to be the case, and should always have been the default until proven otherwise.

More importantly - that IS NOT an excuse to not get vaccinated - its a REASON to require masks to be worn

 

 

 

 

As usual you have deliberately completely missed the point 

I was merely interested in the relationship between the pharmaceutical companies and the vaccine regulator, as I made quite plain

Considering your relentless pursuit of corruption I wrongly imagined that you may have a view on this matter 

Thank you @honeybee13 for the answer I was looking for 

 

[honeybee13]

Google is your friend, TOR.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, theoldrouge said:

As usual you have deliberately completely missed the point 

I was merely interested in the relationship between the pharmaceutical companies and the vaccine regulator, as I made quite plain

Considering your relentless pursuit of corruption I wrongly imagined that you may have a view on this matter 

Thank you @honeybee13 for the answer I was looking for 

 

 

No, you weren't if thats what you intended, then perhaps you should stick to the point

 

I referred to you 'points' precisely - with a response - quite clearly as can be seen.

I was simply pointing out that your guys entirely missed the points and made points that simply don't wash.

 

and it is very common for industries to have to fund the regulator or arbitor - and that is right.

The independence or political influence on a 'regulator' is another matter entirely.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

5 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Google is your friend, TOR.

Yes it is indeed HB

Seems there may be more to this than at first meets the eye

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

 

Must spend more time with my new friend 

 

[honeybee13]

How do you mean please?

[honeybee13]

The FT's statistics man is looking at the current increase in excess deaths. Not all of them are down to the heatwave, he thinks.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

Rather a lot of strange going’s on at the moment 

AZ vaccine disappeared without trace

Coroners signing death certificates giving the AZ vaccine as the cause of death 

The Government paying widows £120000 as compensation for loss of their husbands due to the AZ vaccine 

Over 7000 claims lodged for compensation for death and injuries caused 

Much to look into

[brassnecked]

It might annoy some but the data for multiple injected is not looking too positive. The excess deaths are from multiple causes many potentially linked to the NHS being changed into the NCS National Covid Service allowing many cancers and other illnesses to be undiagnosed as only treatment doctors seemed to be giving was Covid jabs.

[tobyjugg2]

Right wing nutterness coming out

 

So who was injected by a doctor?

I wasn't injected by a doctor in any of the jabs

My other half and our daughters and son in laws weren't injected by doctors (2 of them NHS staff)

 

That the NHS is drastically undefunded and has been focused on critical care including a lot of critical unvaccinated  covid patients has been detailed in stats here all along. Unvaccinated people were in the vast majority of severely affected hospitalised people.

This has changed somewhat with Omicron versions, where vaccinated hospitalisation outnumber vaccinated - but understand why rather than spouting nonesense.

 

That the NHS is in dire straights is beyond question - but due to Tory underfunding.

 

Pull your heads out of your asses

You should now better - well one of you at least

Edited August 23, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Despite the bruskness in the face of what I see as stupidity or at least carelessness in strange beliefs ( I put real effort into my strange beliefs)

I'm assuming its not deliberate ...

 

I do like to be caught flat footed, and love to be surprised.

But put some bl**dy effort and care into it.

[tobyjugg2]

I'll address the few half facts

 

O-A/Z shot themselves in the foot in two ways

1, Overstating effectiveness based on blatantly selecting bits of already small numbers of declared results (this is NOT hindsight - I called it at the time as can be seen here)

2. Jumping in with Johnson on his shaft the EU agenda and thereby getting shafted by India

 

Both of which destroyed the credibility of what should have been a rampant largely unqualified success story

 

and before some prat says 'the EU had it in for us' - remember that O-AZ was NEVER approved in the US

 

I'll at least pause there, as it seems facts have little to do with this

Prove me wrong ... please

 

addendum

Covid hospitalisations during this summer have actually been higher than summer last year - because of the variants.

Edited August 23, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

As o-AZ and Johnson have little/no credibility, anywhere - a little reminder from a French study referred from NZ

Similar examples have been linked here before .. and clearly ignored - so heres a picture with not many words

YELLOW - unvaccinated deaths

BLUE = vaccinated deaths

 

 

 

Which, I will point out, equates to a roughly 10x more likelihood of death or severe illness in the unvaccinated in real world situations - even with mask mandates firmer than the UK's

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

For most people (fit and healthy under say 60), it does appear that getting Covid and then having natural immunity is probably better than vaccination ?

 

As for O-AZ, this may have provided limited protection against original Covid strains, but Covid has mutated many times since and I have not heard that O-AZ is being improved to protect against current Covid variants ? Other vaccines are now seen to be more effective and less risky ?

 

Most of us will know someone with long Covid and how much it has devastated their lives. One of my colleagues is now in a position where they may have to retire early on health grounds. There does not  seem to be any treatments available through NHS at the moment to improve their health. They cannot walk across a room without having breathing difficulties, requiring them to sit down to recover.

 

Which current vaccines offer best protection to most vulnerable ? 

 

Will there be better options than vaccine by injection ?  There was mention of nasal sprays that could be used by people when Covid levels were high, that would be more effective than wearing masks ?  Is this still being researched ? Use of nasal sprays can cause problems such as making  nose more sensitive e.g. increased sneezing, nose bleeds, so I wonder whether this might stop this option being made available.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by unclebulgaria67