Mutating Corona Virus

[honeybee13]

The early cases are interesting, aren't they?

 

Did you see this one about a doctor in France who retested a sample from December that proved to be Covid positive?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

[tobyjugg2]

Thats Johnsons (and to a certain extent others) 1840's empire frame of mind for you

 

'they are miles away,. It will take months or years to get here and anyway, we are Englishmen(ish) so it wont dare try it on with us, and if it does our (quivering) stiff upper lip will shake it off after a cup of tea.

 

He missed the clues:

eg

We have people coming here from there in those new fangled airyplanes, in fact we told them to.

 

My God! You claim they are little more than 12 hours away ??? !!!

Never! The English channel will protect us. Send out an extra flotilla if we have one just to be on the safe side.

Edited August 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

I know some people have taken the sort of stance (even one here) that 'there is no scientific evidence (at the outbreak of a new/mutated respiratory virus) that xxx.213 is spreading in the UK population, let alone that xxx.213 which causes high temperatures, coughs and respiratory problems is spread through the air or contact or any of the ways other respiratory diseases commonly spread

 

... undoubtedly politically driven as it sure aint real science

 

Duhhhh

 

Thats like them saying (very very fast) there is no evidence that that specific tactical nuclear shell heading straight towards me at over 1.5 kilometres a second will hurt me in any way ... lets have the family around.

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Breaking News

 

Handcock says that reports that the UK has run out of testing kits is false news and that 'the system' is sending people on hours long drives so they can see if they are fit to drive and to test their eyesight which is now part of the official testing and nothing to do with incompetence or lack of testing kits and is all to do with following the shining example set by Dom the Covid hero.

 

When asked to confirm his statement, Handcock (with hand on Johnson .. heart) said that he had just confirmed this by looking at the capacity on his spreadsheet and it still showed available capacity as it had from the start.

 

He announced that in fact the capacity for the spreadsheet to report capacity had been upgraded by one of Doms companies at the bargain price of £10M and it now had a capacity to show 200,000 tests per day, and the spreadsheet would be upgraded again at a similar price in the very near future with a capacity of showing 500,000 tests a day capacity.

Handcock was confident that the capacity of the spreadsheet would quickly be further upgraded at a similar bargain cost to a capacity to show 1million tests a day capacity.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

There's at least one discussion going on Twitter about the mortality figures for Covid being 'massaged'. Someone worked out that since the government put in a cut off of 28 days after being tested positive, the figures have gone down by just under 30%.

 

The ONS have some fairly recent statistics.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending7august2020

[tobyjugg2]

and still apparently ignores all who weren't tested at all

and perhaps also all those tested after they died

 

 and each of the UK nations is among the worst in Europe with England the worst of the worst - which even the Boris Broadcasting Company is showing (although rarely/briefly/quietly if at all in main news of course)

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53592881

 

let alone:

https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

 

 

Boy are the Eu's covid stats going to improve in January ...

Edited August 27, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[citizenB]

2 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

There's at least one discussion going on Twitter about the mortality figures for Covid being 'massaged'. Someone worked out that since the government put in a cut off of 28 days after being tested positive, the figures have gone down by just under 30%.

 

The ONS have some fairly recent statistics.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending7august2020

It was inevitable that the figures would be massaged one way or another, no way could government allow figures such as 50,000 + deaths be allowed to hit the headlines !  

[citizenB]

On 26/08/2020 at 11:00, honeybee13 said:

The early cases are interesting, aren't they?

 

Did you see this one about a doctor in France who retested a sample from December that proved to be Covid positive?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

Yes, I had seen this and also the first person to die in the UK (Nottinghamshire) apparently was tested on February 21, 2020.  Interesting that government did beggar all until almost the end of March !! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-53907629

[honeybee13]

1 hour ago, citizenB said:

It was inevitable that the figures would be massaged one way or another, no way could government allow figures such as 50,000 + deaths be allowed to hit the headlines !  

 

Is that your view, CB? They want to keep the figures below 50,000?

[citizenB]

37 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

 

Is that your view, CB? They want to keep the figures below 50,000?

They just want to keep them low.. 50,000 was just a figure in line with what the Statistics Agency are saying. .. 

[honeybee13]

I wouldn't want to be running a school at the moment. HMG have released guidance on a Friday night before a bank holiday and now expect schools to organise a rota system, presumably with a cleaning regime between the two groups on the rota. Some English schools start back next week.

 

Teaching and leaders' unions have been asking for the guidance for weeks.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/government-issues-guidance-to-schools-in-lockdown-areas-days_uk_5f497dafc5b64f17e13da291?ncid=APPLENEWS00001

 

Note added: This is for schools in lockdown areas, but anywhere can go into lockdown with very little notice.

[brassnecked]

Welsh schools back Tuesday, Drakeford & Gething not changed anything here as yet, , and its a bit late to start changing things now.  Mind you Hancock is a complete muppet.

[honeybee13]

I think this one was the education muppet, Gavin Williamson, BN.

[brassnecked]

Yes it was, but the Williamson muppet would have been told what to do by the Hancock,  as health Hancocks bag so a complete mess up.  Christmas will be cancelled with another lockdown looking at how Hancock is going.

[honeybee13]

The teachers' and heads' unions aren't happy but also I'm not sure if ministers have considered working parents with the 'shift' system.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/29/weary-teachers-frustrated-by-late-guidance-on-reopening-english-schools-covid-19

[honeybee13]

Even the Telegraph says the UK comes out badly in the figures and says numbers of deaths from Covid are being under-reported. No paywall on this article.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/revealed-every-measure-britains-response-covid-pandemic-has/

[unclebulgaria67]

Problem UK has, is that it is an international hub for business and tourism. And UK citizens are perhaps more likely to travel abroad than say many other counties.

 

Government were late in applying lock down and implementing travel restrictions. When there is a future inquiry about this, I think it will confirm that there was conflict between Government Ministers and the many advisors including SAGE.

 

In other countries they have been far stricter in applying travel restrictions. In Australia, they have totally closed borders between states, when one state has reported a certain number of new positive cases.

 

I think the UK appears to now be following a reasonable steady approach with schools gradually returning, but it is a shame there have been last minute announcements. I expect an increase in CV-19 cases and local lock downs, which is going to make it very difficult for many months ahead. Businesses will continue as they are with office workers based at home for some of the time and I think this will be a permanent change.

[brassnecked]

Many people will want to continue working from home for sure, but the Polioticians would rather they didn't now, but they put obstacles in the way, with new restricted accesses, and C Charges,  those will reinforce people not wanting to return to office with the cost of the commute.

[tobyjugg2]

So what happens when you end up with a class full of asymptomatic kids, who take it home and share it with their siblings, who take it to different classes/schools and eventually one of the parents or grandparents ends up seriously ill before anyone notices?

Let alone that the parents pre-symptomatic are pressured to return to work when they could work from home - taking it to an office environment and city center environment?

Sounds like a 'herd infection' policy to me.

 

Alternative?

What should have been in place for months

Kids at school one or two days a week (staged) with home schooling work for last week handed in and fresh work handed out

 

 

Who is going to go out from the office to queue outside waiting to go in greggs for a sausage roll ?

So much for 'saving' city center businesses by forcing people who could work from home back into a more densely populated environment.

Sounds like a 'herd infection' policy to me.

Edited August 31, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

Depends on how many infected people are in circulation. passing onto others.  

 

Yes Covid-19 cases will increase, schools will close, as will businesses etc. but on a local level and not a national lock down as before. 

 

Not sure a herd immunity policy is being followed, as I don't think many of the Governments advisors believes this would be helpful.  

 

There have been re-infection cases and some evidence to suggest any immunity after having the virus may be short. 

[brassnecked]

Don't think Herd Immunity is relevant for SARS, they were running with a Flu Plan that assumed Herd Immunity would develop when they let the virus rip back in February/march.

[tobyjugg2]

yes, we know that in fact I probably raised the first examples here,

 

but that doesn't mean that Johnson, Cummings and Handcock aren't still pursuing that or something related

 

 

[honeybee13]

The Graun has this from Tony Abbott, possible UK trade negotiator. Let's leave some elderly patients to die naturally.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/01/tony-abbott-some-elderly-covid-patients-could-be-left-to-die-naturally

[brassnecked]

Another one who wants to cull the elderly, what next Soylent Green, waste not want not eh?

[honeybee13]

Tony Abbott probably needs to hope he never becomes old and infirm. I wonder if he would like to be subjected to the kind of treatment he's suggesting or would want that for his elderly parents or relatives.