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    • "We suffer more in imagination than in reality" - really pleased this all happened. Settled by TO, full amount save as to costs and without interest claimed. I consider this a success but feel free to move this thread to wherever it's appropriate. I say it's a success because when I started this journey I was in a position of looking to pay interest on all these accounts, allowing them to default stopped that and so even though I am paying the full amount, it is without a doubt reduced from my position 3 years ago and I feel knowing this outcome was possible, happy to gotten this far, defended myself in person and left with a loan with terms I could only dream of, written into law as interest free! I will make better decisions in the future on other accounts, knowing key stages of this whole process. We had the opportunity to speak in court, Judge (feels like just before a ruling) was clear in such that he 'had all the relevant paperwork to make a judgement'. He wasn't pleased I hadn't settled before Court.. but then stated due to WS and verbal arguments on why I haven't settled, from my WS conclusion as follows: "11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. "  He offered to stand down the case to give us chance to settle and that that was for my benefit specifically - their Sols didn't want to, he asked me whether I wanted to proceed to judgement or be given the opportunity to settle. Naturally, I snapped his hand off and we entered negotiations (took about 45 minutes). He added I should get legal advice for matters such as these. They were unwilling to agree to a TO unless it was full amount claimed, plus costs, plus interest. Which I rejected as I felt that was unfair in light of the circumstances and the judges comments, I then countered with full amount minus all costs and interest over 84 months. They accepted that. I believe the Judge wouldn't have been happy if they didn't accept a payment plan for the full amount, at this late stage. The judge was very impressed by my articulate defence and WS (Thanks CAG!) he respected that I was wiling to engage with the process but commented only I  can know whether this debt is mine, but stated that Civil cases were based on balance of probabilities, not without shadow of a doubt, and all he needs to determine is whether the account existed. Verbal arguments aside; he has enough evidence in paperwork for that. He clarified that a copy of a DN and NOA is sufficient proof based on balance of probabilities that they were served. I still disagree, but hey, I'm just me.. It's definitely not strict proof as basically I have to prove the negative (I didn't receive them/they were not served), which is impossible. Overall, a great result I think! BT  
    • Seeking further advice now. The 33 days in which the defendant has to submit a defence expires at 16:00 tomorrow. The defendant has submitted an acknowledgement of service but looking to get the claim awarded by default in failure to submit the defence. This is MoneyClaim Online and can see an option to request a default judgement but believe that is for failure to acknowledge the claim within 14 days??  So being MoneyClaim Online, how do I request the claim be awarded in my favour?
    • Have to agree with the above Health and safety legislation is specific in that the service provider in so far as is reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare at work of all his employees and those not in the employ of the business. You claim is like saying you slipped in the swimming pool area while taking a dip. As rightly stated by by the leisure centre, a sports hall has dedicated equipment and you yourself personally have a legal obligation in mitigating danger or injury to yourself by taking account of your immediate surroundings. Where your claim will fail is if it is reasonable and proportionate to impose liability of the Leisure Centre? The answer has to be no.
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Exactly 

 

That's what this site is for isn't it..helping each other.

 

I just hope this thread helps other people to decide what to do in the same situation whatever the outcome is.

 

On ‎20‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 21:25, Andyorch said:

But sometimes we remember when they come back with another problem........😎

 

Maybe Andy but I've never seen anyone not get advice. No matter what the problem is ☺

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yep that's us

couldn't care if it was my worst enemy still help

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Do you people know that it is against the UAE Central Banks Laws for Banks to take blank cheques? 

 

Specifically, Article 15, Section B of UAE Central Bank regulations NoUAE banks violating blank cheque regulations.pdf.29/2011, states that: “Banks and finance
companies are prohibited from taking blank cheques for granting loans or overdraft facilities, or for issuing credit
cards.”

 

Prohibited = Forbidden

 

This has been the case since 2011.

 

This may shed some light on why UAE Banks do not press for judgements in the UAE. Because they know if they have subsequently used such cheques/security to press criminal charges, they have breached UAE Law... (reliance on such in a UAE Court would be foolish however... each a law to their own) 

 

Attempting to then use the UK courts, albeit that the matter should be heard under UAE law, is somewhat underhand.

 

Not something CWD would share with you... or are likely to have worked out given they are pathetic.

 

This automatically creates a dispute..... even if you have signed such a cheque.... 

 

I have attached an article and the UAE Central Bank regulations are an easy google.

 

Have fun.

 

:)

 

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Thank you for that information. 

 

I'm going to look in to that now.

 

Seems central bank is getting lots of complaints re  irresponsible lending and high interest and charges.

 

Seems then they wash their hands of unpaid debts and let the UK Deal with them!  With the help of CWD who can make a killing on collecting by playing on people's fear.

 

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that's all dca's can do on any debt.

and if they find a few mugs

it pays for all the staffs xmas holidays.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So whats the contents of their bundle ?  Never heard of a bundle being used in an application to determine jurisdiction.They have already submitted their statement an evidence.

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Whats the breakdown on their costs ?

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Review defendant application £50

 

Review and consideration of issues (cag website etc) £200

 

Research and consider authorities on issues. Review and collate exhibit drafting and amending witness statement. £1425.

 

Reviewing file and collating bundle £150

 

Copying andi preparing hearing Bundle  £105

 

Research Barristers for hearing £125

 

Preparing brief to counsel £350

 

Preparing statements of costs  £75

 

Barrister  £850

 

Costs of letters, emails and telephone calls £1052

 

 

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And no Barristers fee ? 

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I was going to refer to their WS but notice its been pulled and not available...do they request costs within their statement ?

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Assuming the T&Cs of the agreement contain a contractual costs indemnity.It is rare for costs to be assessed on the indemnity basis and they will only be awarded by the court if there are specific factors which justify them..... hinging around Civil Procedure Rule 44.3 

 

What time is your hearing tomorrow ?

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Okay well best of luck and keep calm...its for the court and them to argue it out if the court has jurisdiction..to decide if foreign law can be tried in an English Court ....you have simply followed CPR and made an application to test it.

 

Your not on trial..no doubt you will update your thread at your earliest convenience.

 

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Outrageous. These are bullying tactics. (familiar with them) 

 

Did the court give any directions? This is in my view extremely contentious that they should send these at his time. Nevertheless they have.

 

The amending witness statement costs is a total joke... If no directions wee given then it was their choice to draft the first set. 

 

As Andy says stick by your Guns.... the biggest gun in the room is the judge.... 

 

I would be tempted if the opportunity arises though to expose these grotesque tactics.... but do so in a calm way. 

 

Finally. Prepare your own costs statement. 

 

 

 

 

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Yes good luck also mate. Wish I could be there in person. To bring these a******* down ! Don’t give in and yes all the abuse suffered should be mentioned it’s unfair of not and the fact that CWD and IDRWW use step change etc and other for advice yet they know nothing about it. 

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1 hour ago, Hornsey62 said:

Review defendant application £50

 

Review and consideration of issues (cag website etc) £200

 

Research and consider authorities on issues. Review and collate exhibit drafting and amending witness statement. £1425.

 

Reviewing file and collating bundle £150

 

Copying andi preparing hearing Bundle  £105

 

Research Barristers for hearing £125

 

Preparing brief to counsel £350

 

Preparing statements of costs  £75

 

Barrister  £850

 

Costs of letters, emails and telephone calls £1052

 

 

 

 

Did you have any opportunity to dig deep on this action when the Bank clearly state that the debt has been written off? 

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No directions given by court to either party..I rang the court and checked this.

 

All made up costs of which there is no proof of anything. Telephone costs? They have never phoned me.

 

Well aware of their tactics..have read all about them in the newspaper.

 

 

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