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My partner parked at a NPS (northern Parking Services) car park a few weeks back and the machine was not working.

She could not pay for her parking.

Today we got a ticket in the post.

They have camera's there and must have automatically sent a ticket out.

 

What are my options?

Do I have to pay it?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Its a Parking Charge notice! Can you move this to the right forum?

 

1 Date of the infringement 28-9-18

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 1-10-18

 

3 Date received 8-11-18

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] no

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yeah they have photo of the car

 

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] n

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

 

7 Who is the parking company? NPS

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Blandford street pay to park. Newcastle NE1 3PZ

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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we need to be able to see the images of your vehicle (no reg though) to determine how they took the pictures. We also need to be able to see the times on the NTK they claim your vehicle was there and also be able to read all of their text as they have to use key phrases to make it a lawful demand.

 

Remove any ref numbers, barcodes etc as well as your personal info

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she was there for 5 days?these look like operator pictures not ANPR?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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She was there for 2hrs.

 

Yeah they do look like pictures taken from in front of the car and not ANPR.

 

Not sure where the ANPR came in from.

 

No reference to it on the ticket so could have been added in by a moderator?

 

What should I do?

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as you'd mentioned pictures it was added now removed.

 

I see what they've done with the pictures and times now very clever.

 

we'll there are no time stamps on the pictures? so they cant prove anything.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So what should I do next? Its a lease so I don't want the lease company paying them and billing me. Although they have my contact details so they should keep this communication between us only now?

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the lease company cannot pay it for him

their T&C's don't state private invoices

only fines from councils/police etc.

 

but be careful as we've seen them confuse these with real fines before!!

 

how is the lease paid?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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watch the DD closely then.

no you do not contact the PPC and most certainly not by email!!

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you've been here since 2010

 

you should know you need to read up on like threads in this forum.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I honestly can't find a similar one.

 

Can you direct me to a sticky that gives the details like why I should not respond and what my rights are?

 

Thank you so much for your help mate my wife thinks we should just pay it and be done with it rather than face court.

 

I was thinking of just replying to them to advise them that the car park machine was not working.

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theres no sticky.

 

just read a few threads in this forum and you'll soon get the idea

 

not sure where court comes into this either.

 

they've responded by sending out the NTK within 14 days as if its an ANPR capture... it is NOT

so they've already broken the rules they should abide by.

 

tell your mates wifes to poke her nose out or learn that these things are not fines but a mere piece of paper that alleges you broken some magical contract by parking there...

 

[you have taken pictures of the signs that specifically state that if our machine falis to work you will be charged £100?...]

 

they'll know full well the machine was not working but they couldn't care less...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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parking co's sometimes abuse the law by trying it on with the lease co if the driver doesnt pay up, even though theynahve no legal reason to do so as they know the lease co wont spend a couple of days staff time fighting this (shame, they ciould absolutely spank the parking co in court for all of their costs) so often pay up when harassed and just add it to your bill.

 

You should let the leas co that you are dealing with this and they should not entertain any thoughts of interfering with the proper process.

 

As for the parking co, depending on how you wnat to deal with this it wont harm you to state that yes, you are responsible for this but as they havent shown a cause for action regarding their demands you wont be paying and you will be fighting them all the way and should they try their luck with the lease co you will take over the claim anyways so that wont get them anywhere

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I did this and they replied with further pics that showed the time stamp on them.

Also they agree that the meter was not working and state that this doesn't mean that I could park there for free and should have paid via the app.

 

I had ignored that

 

yesterday got a letter that stated that unless I paid the £100 they would start court proceedings.

 

What should I do now?

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unless or until you get a 'letter of/before claim ' from one of their fake/tame paperonly solicitors

you are safe to ignore everything else.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It might be a ThreatOgram based on the demand for £160, DCBL also act as DCA, could you post it up please suitably redacted.

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