Question for today’s PC correct UK.

[disgruntled2007]

I am the of the same opinion as you bro; I have no problem with homosexuals, but the operative word in

your post is conduct.

 

Liaisons should not be tolerated any more than liaisons between male and female crew members, where

a no touch policy is in force on all ships, and has been since women were allowed to crew warships,

“not that it always works.” as the Americans found to their cost.

 

As far as their not being many homosexuals in the military, I would not know!

as they never came out years ago, so we don't know, maybe the military keep

records now on a persons sexuality?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4193526/Women-joining-armed-forces-fall-pregnant-alarming-rate.html

[buckthorn]

The only notice I ever saw was on the inside.... it was a quote from ‘the Bottom Inspectors’...

 

The only notice I saw, was one in relation to how you flushed the toilet/heads,

as to flushing it, was done with air pressure, and if you did it while sitting on it

you could have ended up talking in a squeaky voice.

[disgruntled2007]

After entering, close door “A”

Open waste tap “B” and flush tap “C” with lever “D”, causing door “A” to be blocked.

Open cover “E”.

Move lever “F” to “use”.

Use lavatory “G”.

Open waste tap “H” and flushing tap “I”.

Move lever “F” to “flush” position (do this more carefully the deeper the submarine is submerged) until compartment “J” is barely filled.

Open shut-off valve “K”.

Move lever “F” carefully to position “eject”.

Compartment “J” is filled through “K” and “L” with air from the 12 ATM system.

Move lever “F” carefully to the “air waste” position. In this position, the air flows out of compartment “J” through valve “M” to the foulwater tank and on to the battery compartment through pipe “O”.

Lever “F” stays in the “air waste” position when the lavatory is not in use.

Close and lock taps “H” and “I”.

Close lever “E”.

Close taps “B” and “C” with lever “D”.

[ploddertom]

It just would not workout, can you imagine,

one toilet with a notice outside saying make

sure you put the seat down or you will

be on a charge .

 

Maybe they would have had to change to floral curtains for privacy!

[buckthorn]

After entering, close door “A”

Open waste tap “B” and flush tap “C” with lever “D”, causing door “A” to be blocked.

Open cover “E”.

Move lever “F” to “use”.

Use lavatory “G”.

Open waste tap “H” and flushing tap “I”.

Move lever “F” to “flush” position (do this more carefully the deeper the submarine is submerged) until compartment “J” is barely filled.

Open shut-off valve “K”.

Move lever “F” carefully to position “eject”.

Compartment “J” is filled through “K” and “L” with air from the 12 ATM system.

Move lever “F” carefully to the “air waste” position. In this position, the air flows out of compartment “J” through valve “M” to the foulwater tank and on to the battery compartment through pipe “O”.

Lever “F” stays in the “air waste” position when the lavatory is not in use.

Close and lock taps “H” and “I”.

Close lever “E”.

Close taps “B” and “C” with lever “D”.

 

Brillient disgruntled2007, that's why to quality as a submariner the crew man has to pass part 3 of the submariners course,

which is taken on board, and has to be taken every time, the crew man is drafted to a different class of boat.

 

Read below this is one person who did not do his course:-

 

On the 14 April 1945, the German submarine U-1206was ten miles off Peterhead in the North Sea. Captain Karl-Adolph Schlitt decided to go to the lavatory. What happened when he finished is a matter for debate. Captain Schlitt claimed that the toilet malfunctioned. The second, more widely reported version had it that the bashful Captain refused to call the crew member who had been trained in high pressure toilet use and instead had a go at flushing it himself. He got the order of valves wrong and found himself being showered with high pressure sewage and sea water which began flooding into the toilet compartment.

 

By the time the valves had been shut, seawater was draining through the lavatory compartment into the battery room below. When the water came into contact with the battery acid it began forming highly toxic chlorine gas and Schlitt was forced to give the order to rise to the surface, whereupon the sub was spotted by a British aircraft and bombed. Schlitt was forced to scuttle his vessel, making his the only submarine ever to be sunk by its own toilet.

[buckthorn]

Maybe they would have had to change to floral curtains for privacy!

 

LOL

[disgruntled2007]

Capt Schlitt had just one letter too many for uproarious joke making...

[ericsbrother]

When I was in the TA we went on exercise with the Danish Army and we were under the command of a capt Bengt Koch

[hightail]

In reality there arent that many gay men who chase after straight ones so not really an issue

So why is it assumed that when straight men chase after female crew that the problem is the women?

[ericsbrother]

it isnt the women that are the problem but the situation they have been put in and some dont think it is proper, even if it is correct

[disgruntled2007]

I often wonder about this little scenario....... imagine I’m an aviation security officer. I’m a male. I’m straight. I’m not allowed to frisk women, why?

 

Now, having answered that question, explain to me why a homosexual aviation security officer is permitted to frisk men.

[hightail]

Nothing to do with proper or correct but will become practical necessity if fewer men and more women are prepared to do the job. The arguments against are always focused on 'how it was in my day' rather than forward looking. It may not be whether it's OK to 'allow' women - they may be the only pool of labour to choose from.

[DragonFly1967]

I often wonder about this little scenario....... imagine I’m an aviation security officer. I’m a male. I’m straight. I’m not allowed to frisk women, why?

 

Now, having answered that question, explain to me why a homosexual aviation security officer is permitted to frisk men.

 

OK, I might be missing something here.

 

Whilst I understand that a female could request to be searched by another female. Male security officers are allowed to search a female by consent. Without consent a female to conduct the search would be found. Done professionally, it's just not an issue.

 

It might not be best practice, but it's certainly allowed.

 

Which rather nullifies the second question.

[disgruntled2007]

OK, I might be missing something here.

 

Whilst I understand that a female could request to be searched by another female. Male security officers are allowed to search a female by consent. Without consent a female to conduct the search would be found. Done professionally, it's just not an issue.

 

It might not be best practice, but it's certainly allowed.

 

Which rather nullifies the second question.

 

You’re right, it’s badly framed. The consensus is that would be impossible for a male to perform anything other than a JOG search on a woman without causing anxiety and distress. Why is this?

[DragonFly1967]

You’re right, it’s badly framed. The consensus is that would be impossible for a male to perform anything other than a JOG search on a woman without causing anxiety and distress. Why is this?

 

To be honest, I've no idea. Some people these days (and I mean males & females) are just too 'precious' and far to quick to bang on about their "rights", and post about it on Bookface etc. As I said, done professionally it shouldn't cause anyone any embarrassment, anxiety or distress.

 

I won't go in to details, but I've searched men & women, gay & straight, transgender and transsexual people and have never had a single issue (or complaint). And I don't mean just a JOG search but a full pat down search over clothing. Never the best option, but sometimes, needs must.

[disgruntled2007]

To be honest, I've no idea. Some people these days (and I mean males & females) are just too 'precious' and far to quick to bang on about their "rights", and post about it on Bookface etc. As I said, done professionally it shouldn't cause anyone any embarrassment, anxiety or distress.

 

I won't go in to details, but I've searched men & women, gay & straight, transgender and transsexual people and have never had a single issue (or complaint). And I don't mean just a JOG search but a full pat down search over clothing. Never the best option, but sometimes, needs must.

 

I think you capture the issue exactly. Everyone is so very precious these days...

[buckthorn]

I won't go in to details, but I've searched men & women, gay & straight, transgender

and transsexual people and have never had a single issue (or complaint). And I don't mean just a JOG search but a full

pat down search over clothing. Never the best option, but sometimes, needs must.

 

That's fine as the woman has consented to the search, but what would be your reaction if on completion of

the search the woman complained that you touched her inappropriately, even if you had not, you know what they

say were there's smoke there's fire.

 

You would be in the soup whether you are guilty or not, because that's how things

work today. It would be just your word against hers, who do you think they would believe, you or her, I know the answer

to that one, and so do you. It would defiantly not be you.

[buckthorn]

OK, I might be missing something here.

 

Whilst I understand that a female could request to be searched by another female. Male security officers are allowed to search a female by consent. Without consent a female to conduct the search would be found. Done professionally, it's just not an issue.

 

It might not be best practice, but it's certainly allowed.

 

Which rather nullifies the second question.

 

Going back to submarines, if you have women on board, during the course of a patrol that person could become ill, say with women’s problems for instants.

 

Now submarines only carry one medic and that is a leading hand, so with women on board they would either have to be treated by him, or if the medic was female I am sure the blokes would be quite happy, but that would mean that every time there was a female on board, the medic would have to be female. So much for diversity.

[DragonFly1967]

That's fine as the woman has consented to the search, but what would be your reaction if on completion of

the search the woman complained that you touched her inappropriately, even if you had not, you know what they

say were there's smoke there's fire.

 

You would be in the soup whether you are guilty or not, because that's how things

work today. It would be just your word against hers, who do you think they would believe, you or her, I know the answer

to that one, and so do you. It would defiantly not be you.

 

If I was alone, they'd have to wait until someone else was available.

[buckthorn]

As I have pointed out in relation to women on war ships, on submarines, it is catastrophic, we have

already had one skipper taken off a Trident submarine for having an affair with a female officers.

(and yes he should have known better, especially as he was a married man, but then it takes two to tango.)

 

The submarine episode was with a male skipper, Commander Stuart Armstrong and Sub Lt Rebecca Edwards.

so let’s look at the other side a female skipper (on a warship),

 

'People will jump on this and say this is why women shouldn't be on ships': Admiral blasts first female commander of Navy warship over 'affair' with junior officer

• Commander Sarah West has been flown back to UK following claims of affair

• Former head of the Navy has said if the claims are true the trailblazing commander would have let down all female officers

• Cdr West, who is divorced from a Navy helicopter pilot, is the first woman to command a frontline warship in the Navy’s 500-year history

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706992/People-jump-say-women-shouldnt-ships-Admiral-blasts-female-commander-Navy-warship-affair-junior-officer.html#ixzz57fEWBL47

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Says it all really, give them their own ship that would sort it out, and it would also sort out the problem of female crew members getting pregnant.

Which the Americans have from happening in the Royal Navy, its bad enough already.

[hightail]

When push comes to shove all the little arguments against women doing anything disappear when they're needed - and miraculously reappear once they aren't. Women couldn't pilot planes - except they could and did though through a war. Women couldn't manage working in heavy industry - except they could and did through two wars. Once they weren't needed any more such roles were deemed 'unsuitable' again. More recently, I believe we now have more female vets than male even though it used to be argued that they'd not cope with the large animal/farming side of the profession. They can and they do.

 

That a few individuals (of either gender) don't behave well isn't an argument against barring half the population from certain jobs.

[honeybee13]

Changing the subject slightly, there are now more women than men practising as solicitors.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/08/international-womens-day-2018-live-protests-press-for-progress-live

[honeybee13]

...but of the senior people, more are men.

[AndyOrch]

Changing the subject slightly, there are now more women than men practising as solicitors.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/08/international-womens-day-2018-live-protests-press-for-progress-live

 

...but of the senior people, more are men.

 

How very dare you change the subject away from warships and submarines...what was the title of this thread ?

[honeybee13]

'Questions for today's PC correct UK'.