Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • for the sake of history, i've merged your old sadly failed charges reclaim court claim. have they ever sent you a default notice regarding this mortgage? dx  
    • I am financially at  point where I can see the light at the end of the tunnel regarding my debts. I have one remaining and I am interested to see what my options could be. I have be in contact with the Citizen’s Advice Bureau and the National Debt Helpline, but their advice has been a little more generic (but still helpful). This debt is 12 years old and is now owing around £3k. It was a bank loan and has been passed to several creditors over the years. A payment plan has always been in place and is up to date. I get statements every 6 months. There has never been a CCJ. I have been sent the letters advising of change of ownership. Following my own review of my finances, I decided to contact the current creditor to see if they have a copy of the credit agreement. I regarded this as due diligence as the debt has been sold on several times. The creditor updated me several times saying they had requested the document from the original lender. After 12 months of this they wrote to me saying they had not received it but were still waiting and would send it once received. The last letter was over 6 months ago. I then submitted a freedom of information request to the current and original creditor. The original creditor supplied one, but the current one did not include one in the pack they sent me. I went back to them to ask specifically about this as it was what I requested in my request. They replied saying the debt was sold to them as one without the credit agreement and they did not have it. They have requested it above, so I believe that means they cannot obtain it either for the FOI request. I contacted the original creditor and exercised my ‘right to be forgotten’, under the Data Protection Act, which they have complied with. I also got my up to date credit file and this debt is not showing on it with the current creditor or any others. I contacted the creditor and made them an early settlement offer. They do have an early settlement offer in place on their portal, but I was advised to try to get a reduction via negotiation. I have not heard back from them yet, but I understand through a separate upheld compliant it has or will be refused. Due to this complaint and the creditor putting the account on hold I had stopped payments, and advised them of this. To date, they have not contacted me about resuming payments since the complaint is resolved, but it has only been a few weeks. I am annoyed that they were not honest with me about not having the credit agreement, because that is not being transparent and I understood they should tell you if they do not have it.   I have two questions (but am open to anything else anyone would like to add): 1) Based on the above, does anyone think this account enforceable? I do not think it is? 2) Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? I could resume payments and then settle early. If the above had not happened, I may have just done that. Thank you for any help or input anyone can provide. It is appreciated.
    • The main thing is to stop shoplifting because it could be worse next time. If you think you have mental health issues that led you to do this, please go and have a chat with your GP. They won't judge you and should be able to get you help if you need it. HB
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

HSBC CCJ/CO sold/assigned to Cabot


Elfet01
style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 2265 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

This matter again raises its ugly head.

 

Four years ago had a CCJ and charging order on debt With HSBC,

 

I was informed before Christmas that the CCJ and Charging order had been sold NOT ASSIGNED to Crapbot,

 

letter from Mortimer Clarke,

saying pay our client through us (they're part of Cabot group)

 

I asked them to supply proof they sent me copy of letter of sale from HSBC.

 

I believe they cannot use CCJ and charging order to intimidate me into paying them without changing claimant on CCJ and Charging Order,

am I right?

 

Or will they continue to bluff and bully as I will not roll over until they do things right.

Link to post
Share on other sites

They have to be named as the claimant to collect. This doesn't happen automatically and they have to apply for it. Cabot also only deal in non enforceable debts.

 

Time to do your homework. Sar the oc and contact the court and find out who the current named claimant is.

 

 

Can you give more info on the ccj please.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

HSBC don't do court often

 

are you SURE they were the claimant?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Most "Solicitors" acting for DCAs are not but are semi legal depts of the DCAs, or bluffing bullies!!

 

The ones dealing with the sold CCJ are Mortimer Clarke part of the Cabot financial group.

 

As for their collection ability, the debt has been sold to Cabot there is no change of claimant on judgement or charging order, the original claimant has written to me saying the debt has been SOLD and they no longer have any interest in the matter,

 

so I believe

 

1. the debt and therefore CCJ has been sold (not sure if this is lawful)

 

2. if the debt is sold it has been satisfied.

 

3. A new CCJ cannot be taken out on the same debt.

 

Therefore can I just ignore the demands?

as the only thing the new "claimant" can do is to apply to court and Land Registry to change claimant details.

 

Any thoughts?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Most "Solicitors" acting for DCAs are not but are semi legal depts of the DCAs, or bluffing bullies!!

 

The ones dealing with the sold CCJ are Mortimer Clarke part of the Cabot financial group. As for their collection ability, the debt has been sold to Cabot there is no change of claimant on judgement or charging order, the original claimant has written to me saying the debt has been SOLD and they no longer have any interest in the matter, so I believe

 

1. the debt and therefore CCJ has been sold (not sure if this is lawful) Perfectly lawful to assign judgment debts

2. if the debt is sold it has been satisfied. Incorrect... its still owing and you must make arrangement to pay the new owner

3. A new CCJ cannot be taken out on the same debt. Correct

Therefore can I just ignore the demands?as the only thing the new "claimant" can do is to apply to court and Land Registry to change claimant details. Your choice but they do have a further option to force sale your property

 

Any thoughts?

 

Regards

 

Andy

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

Still need to check if cabot have substituted themselvs as the claimant. They rarely ever do, and remember, they do not chase legit debts. The other creditor likely knew this CCJ was UE and prob got a CCJ just out of spite.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

Still need to check if cabot have substituted themselvs as the claimant.

 

They only need to do that if they wish to execute further

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

You sound like a solicitor Andy! Please note as I said debt has been sold not assigned, I believe that the DCA can threaten all they want if they dont change via court and charge claimants then they can get stuffed.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Assigned is the legal phrase used when selling debts (consumer credit agreements) to a third party..the relevant legislation is section 136 of the Law of Property Act.

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/15-16/20/section/136

 

https://www.hendersonchambers.co.uk/2014/02/07/consumer-credit-column-october-2012/

 

Regards

 

Andy

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

If I read the terms (typical legalese, confusing and aimed to confuse crap) of the Law of property act correctly,

the assignment has all the original creditors legal rights,

does that mean that the CCJ is automatically re assigned to the new "claimant"

 

if this is the case why havent the new owners just taken this back to court?

If this debt has been assigned I have the right to view the deed of assignment?

 

In past cases in court I have successfully won after no deed of assignment was correctly presented to the judge.

 

I can see where your coming from Andy, as a man who's successfully defeated **** DCA in the past

it appears I will have to make my own way from here.

 

Should I win this case I will come back to this site not to gloat but to inform.

 

Adieu for now

Link to post
Share on other sites

If I read the terms (typical legalese, confusing and aimed to confuse crap) of the Law of property act correctly,

the assignment has all the original creditors legal rights,

does that mean that the CCJ is automatically re assigned to the new "claimant" Yes...but not a new claimant......a Debt buyer(Carboot)

 

if this is the case why havent the new owners just taken this back to court? Because there is nothing further at this stage in connection with a court...you simply continue to pay them

If this debt has been assigned I have the right to view the deed of assignment? You should have received a Notice of Assignment pursuant to the above legislation ?

 

In past cases in court I have successfully won after no deed of assignment was correctly presented to the judge. Sure it was the Deed and not the Notice of Assignemnt ?

 

I can see where your coming from Andy, as a man who's successfully defeated **** DCA in the past

it appears I will have to make my own way from here. If you were not making payments to the previous creditor...its your choice whether to start paying Carboot...they have their charging order as security already...but there a few other options of execution open to them should they wish to execute further.

 

Should I win this case I will come back to this site not to gloat but to inform.

 

Adieu for now

 

Regards

 

Andy

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

I bet crapbot haven't even mentioned the CCJ / CO

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Charging order is in name of original claimant who have now sold debt.

 

Irrelevant...its connected to the CCJ .....which was assigned to Carboot

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

and the judgement states claimant is HSBC

 

Also Andy,

 

who seems to ere on the side of the DCA,

 

you say crapbot have the charging order ??

 

and various other forms of execution what are they, door step visits ooooooo!

 

threatening letters ooooooo back to court oooooo good.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Also Andy, who seems to ere on the side of the DCA,(Obviously you are yet to read any of my 50K posts or look in the Financial Legal Success Forum of all the court claims won against DCAs.):roll:

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?190-Legal-Successes

 

you say crapbot have the charging order ?? Yes they do because its been placed against the HSBC CCJ which they now legally own

 

and various other forms of execution what are they, door step visits ooooooo! threatening letters ooooooo back to court oooooo good County Court Bailiffs (controlled goods agreement’.) Attachment of Earnings/Third Party Debt Order/ Bankruptcy/Force the sale of your home to get their money .

 

I have explained fully the legal position with regards to your post Elfet01 whether you are prepared to accept the position is your choice.

 

Regards

 

 

Andy

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

so tell me what their next step maybe
See post #18 but that is dependant on what your next step is.

 

also you state the legal position what is the lawful position?

 

One and the same

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

I have also got one of these Global Substitution Orders connected to a previous thread, (can a CCJ be sold)

 

all I want to know is does this trump ( bad use of term!!) O.C. CCJ and charging order.

 

Will the original court inform me?

Will paperwork be changed

 

Crapbot have now threatened to go back to court to get an attachment of earnings, this is a joint CCJ I am retired, my wife is still working.

 

Been looking on websites

this is an extract from Mortgage Finance Gazette (incidentally a GSO costs a one off fee of £45!!) GSO

 

Applications proceed on very similar lines to individual substitution applications.

They can be made without notice and must satisfy the usual requirements of Part 19 of the Civil Procedure Rules regarding the substitution of parties in existing proceedings.

 

Evidence of the transfer must be shown, together with evidence that affected borrowers have been given notice of the transfer.

 

The draft order should contain a schedule providing details of each claim, including the claim number, the county court where the claim is proceeding and the name of the defendant(s).

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have also got one of these Global Substitution Orders connected to a previous thread, (can a CCJ be sold) all I want to know is does this trump ( bad use of term!!) O.C. CCJ and charging order. Will the original court inform me? Will paperwork be changed Crapbot have now threatened to go back to court to get an attachment of earnings, this is a joint CCJ I am retired, my wife is still working. Advise please.

 

Are you not currently making any payments to the original Judgment claimant ?

 

Andy

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

No,

original judgement claimant sold the debt and informed us they had no further interest in the matter and that as far as they were concerned the debt had been satisfied and they would inform credit agencies.

 

We then tasked Cabot to supply proof of their legal right to collect this debt by way of change of claimant notified to us from local county court that had original judgement

This situation with these GSOs must be sorted!

 

I have just contacted the court service and they inform me that the CCJ we have, still has the name of the original claimant

 

so here's a scenario

we start to pay Crapbot

we sell our property

Crapbot say they are the claimant on the charging order

but the CCJ and land registry still have HSBC as claimant.

 

This seems like the DCA is skating close to what is legal and its very lazy, done on the cheap legal practice.

Link to post
Share on other sites

No, original judgement claimant sold the debt and informed us they had no further interest in the matter and that as far as they were concerned the debt had been satisfied and they would inform credit agencies. We then tasked Cabot to supply proof of their legal right to collect this debt by way of change of claimant notified to us from local county court that had original judgement

 

So did you make payments to the the new owner ? stating it is satisfied simply means its been assigned...not settled..the debt is still there.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHER

 

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group - The National Consumer Service

If you want advice on your Topic please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...