Diesel car owners may be paid to trade in under new UK air quality plans

[citizenB]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/16/scrap-diesel-cars-for-cash-says-influential-committee-chairman

 

This looks interesting.

 

Environment committee chair Neil Parish MP is to raise proposals for a scrappage scheme for pollution hotspots this week

 

Cash payments to persuade drivers who live in pollution hotspots to give up their diesel cars may be part of a new scrappage scheme under the government’s air quality plans, due to be published in the next week.

 

Downing Street has been mulling the idea after being forced to produce a new air quality plan after a court ruling, which said existing proposals to meet EU-mandated air quality limits were insufficient.

 

 

It looks like it might be means tested, but Theresa May has taken into consideration that Tony Blair's government pushed diesel vehicles -

 

 

The idea of a tailored scheme has been supported by Neil Parish, chair of the Commons environment committee, who will use a debate on Wednesday to raise the proposal.

 

He will say that “households should not just be able to trade in multiple diesels for a cash subsidy”, and argue that the government “should particularly consider targeting a scrappage scheme at poorer households or those earning less than 60% of the median UK household income”.

 

[ericsbrother]

Ok so with poor people who cant afford to replace their car they get £1000 for something worth possibly £8k but that is only knocked off the price of a brand new vehicle which will set them back £15k+, well beyond their means.

The pollution problem is not with domestic vehicles but as all of the congestion charge schemes dont actually control numbers of vehicles it is just a tax that is unlawfully levied as no parliamentary consent has been granted to allow it but parliamnet has no incentive to stop their little friends from doing the dirty work.

[citizenB]

Diesel scrappage scheme in the UK: latest Government plans revealed

I understood that the government were to announce a scrappage scheme for diesel vehicle owners at the beginning of this month.

 

However, from what I am now reading, it looks as though this has been put on hold whilst a consultation takes place - this runs until 15 June 2017.

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/97592/diesel-scrappage-scheme-in-the-uk-latest-government-plans-revealed

[citizenB]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/05/government-fails-to-commit-to-diesel-scrappage-scheme-in-uk-clean-air-plan

 

 

UK's new air pollution plan dismissed as 'weak' and 'woefully inadequate'

 

Lawyers who forced ministers to deliver new proposals to tackle toxic air crisis say government is not taking responsibility for public health emergency

 

 

Looks like the government are passing the buck, yet again...

 

 

The government’s new plan to tackle the UK’s toxic air crisis is “much weaker than hoped for”, according to the environmental lawyers that forced ministers to deliver the proposals.

 

James Thornton, chief executive of ClientEarth, said the government was “passing the buck” to local authorities and said he failed to see how the central proposal – clean air zones for urban areas – would be effective without charges to deter the most polluting vehicles.

 

Ministers were forced to act after a series of humiliating defeats in the courts, which ruled previous plans illegal. ClientEarth is now examining the latest plan and could go back to court again if it decides the measures will not reduce illegal levels of air pollution in the “shortest possible time”, as the law demands.

[king12345]

What would happen to my Audi A6 2009?

I get mixed info that because is a euro 5 I won't pay extra road tax or any new tax they'll introduce, but has anyone got definitive answer?

[SoggyMoggy]

I wonder if this will include the VAG group owners who've had their cars ruined by the recent emissions update.

[Nimrod205]

How have these cars been ruined?

[SoggyMoggy]

Hundreds, if not thousands have had EGR valve, turbo, injector and DPF issues since the EA189 software update. It is difficult for garages to get hold of new EGR valves because of the problems caused.

 

VAG are denying the link but the update causes the engine to open the EGR valve more and in turn causes more soot to go through the engine. It also makes the injectors work harder. The car wasn't designed to run with this increased workload and parts are failing quicker than they would normally. In some cases within miles of the garage after picking it up.

 

There is a Facebook group with over 1000 members reporting problems with their cars after the fix and in dealing with VAG garages denying everything afterwards. Even though they have been replacing many parts for free or with a 90% discount.

[rinfrance]

Ok so with poor people who cant afford to replace their car they get £1000 for something worth possibly £8k but that is only knocked off the price of a brand new vehicle which will set them back £15k+, well beyond their means.

The pollution problem is not with domestic vehicles but as all of the congestion charge schemes dont actually control numbers of vehicles it is just a tax that is unlawfully levied as no parliamentary consent has been granted to allow it but parliament has no incentive to stop their little friends from doing the dirty work.

The problem is that because of the fraudulent computer system that tells lies and it has been discovered the value of the car is basically sh1t. However it gets worse, we bought a Peugeot car in 2014 and it is worth a lot more than 1000 quid!! I also have a vintage diesel land rover worth about £6000 are they seriously thinking that I would take the rover in. or the Peugot.

Perhaps they will give impoverished people that are not expected to drive and there are no public transport more than a thousand...or just starve as they cannot get to the shops.. It gets even better, the silly speed limits mean that the engine does not get properly hot, therefore more carbon is produced and blocks the FAP so the answer is to use 2nd in towns and drive hard on the limit heating up the FAP and the carbon is then emitted into the town! Now, you need to drive at about 3000 rpm for about 10-20 minutes but not on english motorways at the requisite 3000 RPM so you have no choice, you HAVE to drive at 1st in 20MPH zones, 2nd in 30MPH and 3rd anywhere up to about 50MPH and if you get the chance, at 70 MPH be in 5th for at least 10 -15 minutes. We have confirmed this as our Expert has had >.5 opacity for 14 years and just recently for less than 6 weeks just around town now 1.35 opacity. I now have to give it a good hot thrash in 3rd in a 60 zone for about 20 minutes or in 4th on the motorway for the same and both on a hot day.