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    • Morning dx and thank you for your message.   With regards to your comment about them not needing to produce the deed, the additional directions ordered by the judge included 'a copy of any assignment o the debt or agreement relied upon'  so that is why I thought that point was relevant?
    • Sorry for the long post but I don't want to miss out any relevant information: My wife bought a car from Trade Centre UK and have been having nothing but trouble with it. Unfortunately we paid of the finance used to buy the car as we weren't expecting this much trouble with the car as we we though we would have protection as buying from a dealer. We are wondering if we can still reject the vehicle since the finance plan has been paid off. Timeline is as follows: 13/12/2023 -15/12/2023 Bought car from Trade Centre UK for £10548 £2000 deposit paid on credit card on 13/12/2023 £8548 on finance from Moneybarn (arranged through Trade Centre UK). picked up car on 15/12/2023 Also bought lifetime warranty for £50/month 25/12/2023 Engine Management Light comes on. The AA called out and diagnosed the following error codes: P0133 - Lambda sensor (bank 1, sensor 1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Slow reaction. Error sporadic P0135 - Lambda sensor heat. circ.(bank1,sensor1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Component defective Due to it being Christmas took a few days to get through to them but they booked me in for 28/12/2023 to run their own diagnostics. 28/12/2023 Took car in to Trade Centre so could check the car – They agreed it was the Oxygen Sensor and Booked me in for repair on 30/01/2024. I was told they had no earlier slots, and I would be fine to carry on driving car when I said I was afraid of problem worse. During diagnosing the problem, they reset the Engine Management Light. During drive home light comes back on. 29/12/2023 - 29/01/2024 I carry on driving the car but closer to the date, engine goes to reduced power every now and again – not being a mechanic I presumed that this was due to above fault. 20/01/2024 Not expecting any more problems paid off the finance on the car using personal loan from bank with lower interest rate. 30/01/2024 Trade Centre replace to O2 sensor (They also take it on a roughly 60mile road trip which seems a bit excessive to me – I can’t prove this as something prompted me take a picture of milage when I handed car in but I forgot take one on collection – only remembered next day.) 06/02/2024 Engine goes in reduced power mode again and engine management light comes on – Thinking the Trade centre’s 28 day warranty period was over I booked the car the into local garage for the next day to get problem fixed under the lifetime warranty package. Fault seems to clear after engine was switched off. 07/02/2024 In the Morning, I take it to local garage who say as the light gone off – the warranty company is unlikely to cover the cost of the repair or diagnostics and recommend I contact them when the light comes back on. In the evening the light comes back on and luckily I manage to get it back to the garage just before it shuts for the day. 08/02/2024 The Garage sends me a diagnostics video showing a lot error codes been picked up by their diagnostics machine including codes for Oxygen sensor and Nox Sensors, Accelerator pedal and several more. Video also shows EGR Hose not connected to the intake manifold properly, they believed this was confusing the onboard system as it is unlikely this many sensors would trigger at same the time but they couldn’t be certain until they repaired the hose. 13/02/2024 Finally get the car back as it took a while to get approval and payment for the repairs from the Warranty company. Garage told me to keep an eye the car as errors had cleared with the hose but couldn’t 100% certain that’s what caused the problem. 06/03/2024 Engine management light comes on again. Fed up I go into Trade Centre as I was just around the corner when it happened and asked them how to reject the car or have the problem fixed. They insist that as it’s over 28 days I need to get the car fixed under the warranty package I purchased and they could no longer fix the car as it was over 28 days. When I tried telling them it appeared to be the same or related problem they said they couldn’t help as I hadn’t contacted them earlier. I asked them if they were willing to connect the car to the diagnostics machine and tell me what the problem was, as a goodwill gesture, which he agreed to do and took the car to the back He came back around 30 minutes later and said they took a look at the sensor they replaced previously and there was nothing wrong with it and engine management light went off when they removed the sensor to check it. When I asked what the error code he couldn’t give me an exact fault but the said it one of the problems I told him earlier (Accelerator pedal). I have this visit audio recorded on my phone – I informed the reps I was recording several times. As the light wasn’t on, local garage couldn’t book me for a repair under warranty. 07/03/2024 Light came on so managed to book back into local garage for the 12/03/2024 Whilst waiting to take car into garage, I borrowed a OBD sensor and scanned for errors on the car. This showed the following errors: P11BE – Manufacturer specific code (Google showed this to be NOX sensor) P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow 12/03/2024 Took car to local garage and the confirmed the above errors. This leads me to believe that either Trade Centre UK reps lied and just reset the light or just didn’t check properly (Obviously I am unable to prove this) 22/03/2024 Finally got the car back as according to garage, the warranty company took a long to time to pay for the repairs 28/04/2024 Engine management Light has come back on. Using the borrowed OBD scanner I am getting the following codes: P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow P2138 - Accelerator Position Sensors (G79) / (G185): Implausible Correlation I have not yet booked into a garage as I wanted to see what my rights are in terms of rejecting the car as to me the faults seem related. I can’t keep using taxi or train to get to work every time the car goes into the garage as it is getting very expensive. Am I right in thinking that they have used up their chance to repair when they conducted the repair end of January or when they refused to repair it in February ? If I am still able to reject the vehicle could you point to any sample letters or emails I can use. Thankyou for your advice on my next steps.
    • Ok noted about the screenshot uploads. In terms of screwing up I had one previous ticket that defaulted and ended up in a CCJ from Southend airport because for some reason during COVID I didn't receive their claim form just a notice of default. This hospital ticket was the 2nd ticket that went to CCJ due to a lack of knowledge of the process. Maybe it's easier just to pay them in future I'm thinking though, I don't get them very often anyway
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    • please stop posting up unnecessary unnamed screenshot files  you've done it throughout your threads and we have to renamed them. RENAME THE FILE before you upload if its just text information like a defence or a claim history or a link to a previous post  type it here not by an unnamed screenshot attachment  . sorry NM but you've been here dealing with PPC claims since 2021 somehow you always manage to screw up.......or do totally the opposite of std repeated advice on 10'000 of PPC threads here you are your own worst enemy... dx  
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Hi all,

 

Just a little advice needed please. I received a Private Parking Invoice on July 22 in Manchester from Vehicle Control Solutions.

 

 

I looked on a couple of forums and the advice seemed to be to ignore it and don't make contact until the 'Notice to Registered Keeper' arrives.

BTW, the parking ticket states that 'The driver is liable for this PCN'.

 

This morning, I received a letter from Rossendale Collects, dated October 10, giving me 7 days to pay a balance (no mention of fine or invoice) of £130.00.

This is the original invoice of £100.00 plus an administration fee of £30.00.

 

The letter is, grammatically, terrible. One line reads

'You have ignored previous request for payment'

They also seem to have an aversion to the use of a comma too!

Also, there is no mention of the date the invoice was given or the address of the car park.

 

I heard that if the the parking company don't write to the registered keeper within 56 days, that is reason enough to cancel the invoice.

 

Has anybody had any experiences with these companies?

 

 

Shall I just ignore this letter and future ones?

 

Many thanks in advance!

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Well if this is the first correspondence then there is no keeper liability.

 

The conditions of the POFA have not been met. Any debt collector connected to the private parking industry,who tries to chase someone for money, has no power at all. They can be ignored...

 

If you wish to find out to who , why and when your personal details were sold by the DVLA, then make a complaint and demand to know;

 

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Agree with above, the more complaints the DVLA get about private parking companies abusing the system the greater the liklihood that something will be done to revisit sch 4 of the PoFA in parliament.

Ignore rossers, they have no interest in the matter. VCS are members of the IPC and they think that the law doesnt apply to their members

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And as Rosser Collect are their DCA arm, any reference to them in their 'bailiff' capacity in any of their missives, MUST be reported to the FCA.

 

They like to intimidate people with their bailiff image.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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On July 22, I received a 'Parking Charge Notice' on my windshield in a car park in Manchester. The advice seemed to be to ignore it until I received a NTK through the mail. I received no other contact from Vehicle Control Services and on Oct 10 I received a letter from Rossendale Collect giving me 7 days to pay £130.00

 

Yesterday morning, I received another letter threatening 'a visit from a doorstep collector to obtain payment or discuss a repayment structure'.

 

It then goes on to read, in red, block capitals 'THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THIS MATTER MAY PROCEED TO COURT, WE RECOMMEND YOU MAKE A PAYMENT IN FULL NOW'.

 

Anybody out there have experience of receiving these letters? I suppose I should just keep ignoring, as VCS haven't followed the letter of the law?

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Have you got a big dog? If so dont feed it for a couple of days and then they can have a free meal.

You wont get a doorstepper, even Rossers arent that stupid. If they were their employees would all be in prison and they couldnt carry on sending out pointless letters. Let them wate their money and time and only respond if you get a lba from VCS. They sometimes do court but lose each time

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Hi All,

 

I need some advice please on how to deal with this:

 

I received a PCN for overstaying in Manchester on July 22 2015, it was left on my window. I ignoredicon it waiting for the NTK to arrive but it never did. I then started to receive several letters from Rossendale Collects, the last one to arrive was mid/end November 2015.

 

Last week I received 2 letters in the same envelope. The first was from VCS Ltd saying the 'account balance' has been sent to BW Legal and to contact them about the charge. The second letter from BW states they will 'take our clients instructions to commence legal proceedings against you in the form of a county courticon claim form in the county court'. It seems really odd that 2 separate organisations would use the same envelope, maybe a way of cutting down on costs maybe? Is this something I can file under 'trash' or do I need to contact POPLAicon? Or has that window of opportunity closed? To be clear, I have never corresponded with any of this companies.

 

Any help would be gratefully received.

 

Many thanks!

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So you still haven't received the NTK?

 

They are truly blagging it and are on a hiding to nowhere, there is no chance this will ever get near a court.

 

File 13.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi All,

 

Thanks for advice so far. This morning I received another letter from BWLegal claiming final notice and that if I don't pay the 'balance' within 10 days 'VCS has instructed us to commence county court proceedings'.

 

It also mentions the case of Parking Eye v Beavis and that this ruling eliminates my main defence. I find this quite odd, as they have no idea what my main defence is. They also add that if an appeal has been turned down by an IAS the county court will reach the same conclusion.

 

This relates to a parking matter from July 2015, of which I still haven't received a NTK.

 

Many thanks,

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File it away under ignore.

 

But me being me would be welcoming them to take me to court, and I'd give them all of the dates I'm free to attend, they haven't a chance of this even getting a look in at court!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Youve already had your answer why. The conditions of POFA havent been met at all from the very first time they communicated with you. The judge would give them a proper kick up their rears if they tried and you went in with the info we give you. BWlegal also send out template letters en masse and cite the beavis case. A case which has absolutely no relevance to you or your situation as the PPC havent complied with the POFA in the first place.

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