Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • If I have learnt one thing from this forum, it's not to call and communicate via email. I passed this info on to her and they are pushing for her to call them.    "Unfortunately, you will need to call us. The conversation won’t be so black and white as to therefore type over email. In a nutshell we can confirm that the request to not pay for 3 months we cannot put in place"  I emailed them back on her behalf and said that what ever is discussed over the phone will need to be put in an email so that she can review it properly. No decisions will be made on that phone call.    "Once we speak to you on the phone we will follow up with an email to confirm the options discussed. [Phone number]"   Why are they pushing for a phone call? If its not so black and white, why can they then follow up with an email?  
    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
    • Read these 6 things you can do to be empathetic to other people’s views and perspectives.View the full article
    • Peter Levy says he received a call from someone pretending to be from his bank in February.View the full article
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like

Hoist/Cohen claimform - Ex Santander CC***Claim Discontinued***


daverules
style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 2696 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Hi there,

I had a credit card with Santander for some years and have kept up with the payments

but only the payments as due to being ill over the past seven years with several illnessess

I have been unable to work so defaulted on the card.

 

I was unable to deal with this, part burry head in sand and dealing with hospital sttuff and

now I owe nearly £5000, £4000 being the credit and £1000 being the charges.

 

End of january I recieved a letter from 1st Credit saying, (this was the first letter from them)

 

"Client: Santander Cards LTD

Debt: xxxxx

Client Account Number: xxxxxxxxxxx

Our records show that the above amount remains outstanding.

 

If you do not make contact we will concider pssing your details to a local Doorstep Debt Collector.

This individual would visit your address to confirm that you are still resident and prepare a Pre-Legal report.

 

We appreciate that you may not want a personal visit. I will therefore delay the visit for three days drom the date of this letter to allow you time to settle your debt.

 

Please send your payment blah bla blah

 

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS MATTER.

 

Ok no one visited and five days later I recieved the following:

 

"Client: Santander Cards LTD

Debt: xxxxx

Client Account Number: xxxxxxxxxxx

The above amount remains outstanding. We may now take legal proceedings against you and if succesful it may result in-

 

Substantial Legal Costs;

 

-entry of your name in the Register of Judgments, Orders and Fines, which may make it difficult to obtain Credit in the future.

 

Continued failure to make payment could result in enforcement action such as;-

 

-An application to your employer for an attachment of earnings;-

 

-Seizure of your assets by a County Court Bailiff.

 

PLEASE TAKE THIS FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CONTACT, TELEPHONE BLA BLA BLA

 

Well not working and only been able to eat and live due to others buying me food, I have no income so what should my next step be please...

 

many thanks for all and any advice.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 130
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Really does depend on whether you want to enter the game of letter tennis or not?

 

As you say you have nowt, I assume you are on benefits? Then the legal amount they will EVER get from you is £1 a month end of.

 

If you want to start the ball rolling in letter ping pong, then you could send them the CCA request, enclose a £1 postal order with it and see what they come back with if anything, either way, you've no income, so £1 a month is ALL they will ever get from you until your circumstances improve/change.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 6 months later...

Hi there,

a week ago I recieved a letter from Fredkinsons saying thaey have been instructed to collect on behalf of Santander

relating to a credit card for the sum of £4k+ and advising me that I can pay them via debit card, credit card or cheque,

I have had not had time to deal with this as was having health issues relating to a long term illness.

 

Today I recieved another letter dated 02 sep 11 from them containing the following:

 

LETTER BEFORE ACTION

 

THIS DEBT MUST BE PAID IN FULL TO THESE OFFICES WITHIN THE NEXT 7 DAYS OTHERWISE WE WILL TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION.

 

Should it be necessary to issue proceedings in the County Court (or Sheriff Court as may

be appropiate), further additional costs will be added to the balance outstanding.

 

This then shows the following costs that will be added...Court Fees £85.00 and Solicitor Costs £80.

 

Then contains the following....

 

If a Judgment or Decree remains unsatisfied a bailiff or sheriff officer may be instructed

to recover assets to discharge the outstanding dept. Judgment debts are registered by the Court.

 

Now I have read enough on this site to know not to call them

tho to be honest I have no qualms about doing so as I don't scare or cave in easily,

have had some serious health problems over the past 11 years

and demands for money is nothing compared to them.

.however, I digress.

 

I believe the card was taken out in 2005/2006 but cant recall what year to be presise but certainly one of those years.

 

Payments were being made until some time last year when they were then stopped due to lack of funds and other concerns.

 

I will be sending off a CCA to Freds this week and report back with any developments,

in the meantime any advice or information is greatly recieved.

 

Thank you in advance :)

Edited by daverules
Link to post
Share on other sites

Let us know if Bryan 'bloody' Carter starts sending his love letters, he can be put back in his box very easily.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 years later...

Hello all.

 

Been ill for many years and went through a bitter divorce,

 

 

had a credit card with Santander

 

who sold it to Hoist late last year.

 

The debt is aprox £5000 with £1000 being charges,

 

it went through many DCA's who offered discounts or to remove the charges but I did not engage them in any way

 

now it's in the hands of Robinson way, part of Hoist I know,

latest letter is that if I do not respond to them in 10 days they will pass it to their solicitors..

.sorry can't find the name of solicitors at moment.

 

I thought I had defaulted on this CC in Oct 2010

checked my report on Noddle but the entry is now missing where as before it did show up,

I signed up with Equifax to double check and it does not show on there.

 

Any suggestions as to what to do next please.

 

Regards

Dave

Link to post
Share on other sites

The solicitors will be Howard Cohen - almost certainly.

 

 

Hoist bought up a huge number of ex-Santander accounts last year and Robbers Way have been chasing them down over recent months.

 

 

The bad news is that a lot of them are ending with claims being issued, and once with Howard Cohen this seems to happen very quickly.

You are not yet at that stage however.

 

 

I am in a similar position with an ex-Santander overdraft and RW gave me the 10 day deadline a couple of months ago

but have continued to send threatograms since then.

 

 

I have little doubt it will get there eventually, but no point in communicating with them until you have to.

 

Firstly, you could do with finding out exactly when the account went into default.

Any statements or letters that you can find which might help?

 

Was the account opened pre-2007 or after that?

You may end up here sending a CCA request,

but if it was opened after 2007, then they could produce a reconstituted agreement which would satisfy a court.

Lack of an agreement for pre-2007 accounts is harder for them to get around.

 

As for the charges, these could probably be reclaimed, so statements would be useful,

but if not then you could SAR Santander for full details of the account

and take it from there. It would cost you a £10 fee to do this.

 

What about PPI on the account?

Any advice given is done so on the assumption that recipients will also take professional advice where appropriate.

 

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING

EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

DONATE HERE

 

If I have been helpful in any way - please feel free to click on the STAR to the left!

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't CCA RW at this stage - wait until you have reason to - no point in poking them too early!

Any advice given is done so on the assumption that recipients will also take professional advice where appropriate.

 

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING

EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

DONATE HERE

 

If I have been helpful in any way - please feel free to click on the STAR to the left!

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't CCA RW at this stage - wait until you have reason to - no point in poking them too early!

 

Ok will hold off on the CCA

 

Cheers

 

I can now confirm account opened on 16/05/2006

 

Default date 29/11/2010

 

Information found on early credit report I downloaded on 12/01/2013

 

Cheers

Link to post
Share on other sites

interesting its gone from your cra file

prior to the defaults 6th birthday.

 

 

dx

 

3 threads merged for history

 

 

did you ever get anything back for the CCA requests you've already sent?

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello Dx thank you for merging theses.

 

I have never received a direct response to my CCA requests in the past just letters from DCA informing me that they were no longer dealing with the matter and were returning it to their client.

 

Have to agree it is strange that the default has disappeared and have now taken the free trial out with Expeirin to treble check, just need to wait 5 days for the pin number.

 

Regards

Dave

 

Just for further info, DCA's that contacted me and backed off were:

 

Clarity

 

1st Credit

 

Fredkinsons

 

Westcott

 

Moorcroft

Link to post
Share on other sites

cca request time me thinks

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Then all you will ever be forced to pay is £1 a month.....if they really are that childish that is!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

OK, how many CCA's have you sent in the last 4 years?

 

IMO, I think it wise to stop playing the game of letter tennis now.

 

Only just realised this thread goes back to 2011 !!

 

I think if they had anything whatsoever then they would have taken legal action before now.

 

Obviously something is wrong therefore keep poking them and they respond with more empty threat letters.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello

Sent several to different DCA's but have now sent this as the final one seeing as they have now purchased the debt.

 

Will await their response but ignore until they take any legal action if they think they can.

 

Thank you 😊

Link to post
Share on other sites

I strongly doubt they can, else they would've a lot earlier.

 

Let us know what they come back with, if anything.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...