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    • Well done. Are you able to tell us more about how it went on the day please? HB
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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business CEntre Name of the Claimant ? Lowell Portfolio i Ltd How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue –  15 Feb 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The claim is for the sum of £922 due by the Defendant under and agreement regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 for a Capital One account with an account reference of [number with 16 digits] The Defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a Default Notice was served under s.87(1) of the Consumer Credit ACt 1974 which has not been complied with. The debt was legally assigned to the claimant on 16-06-23, notice of which has been given to the defendant. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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Appeal tribunal tomorrow...(ESA). Absolutely bricking it, haven't been able to sleep in days with the stress, feel much more stressed than the actual ATOS exam, keep reading the forum and see people taking representatives with them, what's that all about as I was unaware I know it's too late but what do they mean by representative, as it's only myself and my mother going.

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Have you read the forum sticky? http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?251737-Appealing-or-going-to-a-Tribunal-Some-useful-information(1-Viewing)-nbsp

 

Some people get welfare rights/CAB etc to help and sometimes get a rep to go with them, but there aren't many about any more.

 

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keep reading the forum and see people taking representatives with them, what's that all about as I was unaware I know it's too late but what do they mean by representative, as it's only myself and my mother going.

 

It's a bit like trying to defend yourself in a court or having a good quality barrister with you doing the job.

These representatives are another name for experienced welfare rights officers who actually do know how to do their job quite well. The results of cases can be quite astounding. From memory you are almost twice as likely to get the result you are hoping for if you have someone representing you.

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MW35, I didn't have a rep, my OH went to the tribunal with me. The forum stikky is based on my experience and I won. :)

 

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You did quite well then, I am pleased for you.

However you must remember that not everyone is able to control a tribunal hearing from the point of view of the Appellant. You have to be convincing in your arguments, understand when and if questions are raised that are necessary or material. At best you would have to demonstrate some knowledge of court procedure.

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You did quite well then, I am pleased for you.

However you must remember that not everyone is able to control a tribunal hearing from the point of view of the Appellant. You have to be convincing in your arguments, understand when and if questions are raised that are necessary or material. At best you would have to demonstrate some knowledge of court procedure.

 

I'm sorry, that wasn't how my tribunal was. It was professional yet relaxed and nothing like as formal as a court. The panel of a chairman who I believe was a lawyer and a doctor asked me questions and I answered them truthfully. We had also prepared a submission based on the forum stikky to hand to the panel.

 

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There is absolutely no requirement for knowledge of court procedure.

 

In my experience, tribunals are interested in making the most appropriate decision based upon the evidence and information available. They are a lot less formal than court proceedings.

 

My mother in law and I attended an ESA tribunal for my father in law last year. My father in law did not attend. The panel consisted of a chair who was a solictior and a doctor. They only asked a few questions and after 5 minutes allowed the appeal. The DWP rarely attend the hearing.

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As moral support I've been to several tribunals for employment n support and disability living. The Tribunals Service isn't perfect, judges can have an off day. But honeybee13's sticky and the video below reflect my experience of tribunals over three different venues.

 

 

It's not a chat round the kitchen table, but it's not a formal court either. And since the demise of legal aid for first tier tribunals most appellants manage perfectly well without legal representatives. Cos the best person to explain how your condition limits your day to day life (how far you can walk/wheel without getting breathless, hiding under the duvet, or whatever) is you. :thumb:

 

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Thanks all for the support I let you know tomorrow fingers crossed, my problem is I don't know if I'll be able to follow the pile of paperwork I'm supposed to take, and if I do they will think I'm to mentally alert to be suffering from depression and anxiety, just gone over the paperwork with my mother, half of the stuff ATOS put down I was never asked, stressed at the moment is an understatement.

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it may help if you or your mother make notes of the things you want to raise or the page numbers of any of the evidence you want to focus on

 

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The usual format of a tribunal is that the panel ask the questions and the appellant answers them. Very unlikely that they'll go through the ESA85 and Jobcentreplus paperwork page by page. As id6052 says, few notes for anything you want to clarify or refute. Each issue; concentration, memory, why you can't do whatever Atos claim you can, on a separately headed sheet. And let your Mum mind the paperwork while you focus on the questions.

 

Most tribunal panels are well used to nervous appellants and will take the hearing at your pace.

 

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I'm sorry, that wasn't how my tribunal was. It was professional yet relaxed and nothing like as formal as a court. The panel of a chairman who I believe was a lawyer and a doctor asked me questions and I answered them truthfully. We had also prepared a submission based on the forum stikky to hand to the panel.

 

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Well there must be differences up and down the country. We lodged an appeal involving Council Tax Benefit a few years back. It took three adjournments and two years before the case came to court where the Chairman/Judge gave directions to both parties (us and the LA) to supply better & further particulars along with details of which stated cases and court decisions we were to rely on with regards to our appeal. We managed to get legal representation via a Law Clinic from the local university (one of the lecturers represented us). During the hearing, we were both completely lost after about 5 mins. I have never heard so many legal arguments being raised and challenged. We won, but the LA have now given notice that they have leave to appeal to the Upper Tribunal. That will be another story no doubt.

 

 

So without that professional backing we would not have won anything never mind be able to argue our own case.

 

 

It was an argument on how Regulation 50 should be interpreted for what was Council Tax Benefit.

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Well there must be differences up and down the country. We lodged an appeal involving Council Tax Benefit a few years back. It took three adjournments and two years before the case came to court where the Chairman/Judge gave directions to both parties (us and the LA) to supply better & further particulars along with details of which stated cases and court decisions we were to rely on with regards to our appeal. We managed to get legal representation via a Law Clinic from the local university (one of the lecturers represented us). During the hearing, we were both completely lost after about 5 mins. I have never heard so many legal arguments being raised and challenged. We won, but the LA have now given notice that they have leave to appeal to the Upper Tribunal. That will be another story no doubt.

 

 

So without that professional backing we would not have won anything never mind be able to argue our own case.

 

 

It was an argument on how Regulation 50 should be interpreted for what was Council Tax Benefit.

 

It's not so much differences up and down the country as differences in the nature of the appeal. Most ESA LCW appeals don't hinge on complex questions of law. I'd never tell anyone not to seek advice or representation, but plenty of people manage and are successful without it. Certainly, an understanding of court procedure is not a requirement for such an appeal.

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When I had my first ESA Tribunal I thought I needed representation. I had a member of the CAB represent me. This was a huge mistake. He was absolutely and totally useless. He didn't utter a single word and I wish to goodness I'd had no representation. Needless to say I lost the tribunal. So don't get hung up about representing yourself. Sometimes the so called experts really aren't expert at all. Good luck.

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Good luck today.

 

I had my DLA tribnal last year (ok, DLA isn't quite the same ESA; but I understand the tribunal is the same) and DIAC refused to represent me because they believed I would lose. In fact, they went as far to say I was lying on my forms! Anyway, I received a lot of advice on here, went to tribunal and won with a lot of help from people on here.

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That was the most stressful experience of my life and I'm not kidding, the doctor asked me questions for only about 5-10 minutes then the judge asked a lot more questions, he said I looked awful down then started asking my mother questions about my condition, I couldn't take anymore and walked out I was that stressed,

they said to my mother they would let me know in the post, i probably blew it but I couldn't take it anymore.

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You probably didn't. Unfortunately some Tribunals prefer to let people know by post so you just have to try and be patient for a couple of days. Fingers crossed.

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Too late now. But for reference for others reading who may face an appeal down the road, the most important thing in my experience (as an appeals rep) is the prep work - the submission arguing the descriptors and condition and the supporting evidence collected prior to hearing, and also preparing the appellant on how best to handle common questions. If the prep work is done well, then the rep needs to say very little on the day at an ESA hearing. With a little guidance, most can prepare their own cases successfully for ESA.

 

If you have a rep and they haven't collected evidence on your behalf, and prepared a submission and had a pre hearing meeting with you, then you're not getting a good service - sadly this happens more and more due to the pressures on the underfunded services now that legal aid funding has been withdrawn.

 

Other types of appeals where the area of law is more complex are different - but again much of the work is done in advance, though there can be more arguing why one UT decision applies than another, and the hearing can get heated where there has been shenanigans in the decision making by the DWP or LA.

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I WON !!!.. Can't believe it I feel as though a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, I scored 27 points and after walking out I fought I blew it but clearly not, thank you all so so much for your help and advice, so glad I listened and went for the appeal.

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... i probably blew it ...

You probably didn't. ...

So pleased to read your news. Now sit back, relax, and think of the back payments. (They'll take a few weeks to get to you but who cares at this precise moment?)

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