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    • Thank you very much for your help. To answer your two questions:  1. I did not send a CPR request when the Claim Form arrived. 2. They did send a claim form, in March 2023. This is the document from which I copied the particulars of their claim.  
    • Thanks. That's a lot to wade through.  Will get on to it. Two other quick questions. Did you send them a CPR request when the claim form arrived? Are you sure they didn't send a Letter of Claim before they sued you?
    • Hi there, Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for –  1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260 Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
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Your letter to POLPA should be copied to the BPA and it should point out that PE have refused your appela but failed to provide a POPLA code and that you wish to have their claim rejected on this matter alone unless a valid code is produced within the correct time frame.

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Dear parking eye

 

I have been passed authority to deal with the ticket (ref: XXXXX) from Mrs XXX, you can confirm this with her on the phone number XXXXXX, therefore any further correspondence needs to be directed to myself at the above address

 

Thank you for your recent bundle of a letter which obviously you seem to think deals with the issues I raised

However you seem to have acted under the assumption that it was simply a “letter” and not an appeal, and “forgotten” to include the popla code, as you received it via the appeals part of your website you know that this was an appeal and not a letter, so you have to provide a popla code

 

I notice that your current letter is obviously designed to intimidate people who have received a “ticket” by mentioning taking them to court as often as possible while only mentioning popla in one line tagged on the end of a paragraph about how you “always win in court”

 

You also state “thank you for confirming you were not the driver” while if you read the appeal carefully you will find we make no such statement, you also put the appeal on hold until you receive further evidence again something you are not allowed to do by BPA rules

 

As You also seem to like to rely on using past cases to intimidate then I would suggest that you update your template letters as they appear wildly inaccurate, for example under your “example” of Genuine Pre-Estimate of loss you have listed such things such as membership costs to various bodies, costs of installing cameras and the employment of office staff, as you are aware these are the general costs of running a business and not a loss caused by this instance of parking

 

You also deliberately miss-state the cost of a parking ticket with the line “the full amount of the parking charge is £100 the reduced amount for early payment is £60” in this case the sign actually states that the ticket is £90 reduced to £54, therefore again deliberately miss-leading the motorist

 

You also state that the “below list is not a full list of all cases, they are however every court hearing where the issue of genuine pre-estimate of loss has been raised since popla has been in place”, again this is deliberately miss-leading and intimidatory as I have a list of cases since popla started that used Genuine pre-estimate of loss and won, these include but are not limited to:-

 

3JD00517 ParkingEye v Clarke (Barrow-in-Furness, 19/12/2013)

3JD04791 ParkingEye Ltd v Heggie (Barnsley, 13/12/2013).

3JD03769 ParkingEye v Baddeley (Birmingham 11/02/2014)

3JD05448 ParkingEye v Gilmartin

 

I have used these 5 cases as examples but have provided a further list at the end of the letter

As you can see I reject your letter in its entirety and request a true answer to the appeal made along with the popla code that you are required to provide, I require this popla code in an easy to read format and not hidden amongst a large body of text

 

I will also be making a formal complaint to Popla on your handling of this appeal, also with further formal complaints to all the regulatory bodies listed in your “pre-estimate” of costs, I also intend to write to the DVLA using this letter as an example of your intimidatory nature and request that you are temporally suspended from requesting driver details, I will also point out that any attempts to ignore these letters will result in further letters to mp requesting investigations into any possible conflict of interest between two capita run businesses

 

Yours sincerely

 

M H

 

P.s. As you included 3 pages of court cases you have won please find attached 5 pages of cases you have lost

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I would ask them again for the POPLA code. They aren't giving one because they know your appeal would get canceled at POPLA. They know they have ZERO chance at a POPLA appeal (since it's a FREE carpark) and are clutching at staws.

 

Ask them one more time for the POPLA code, my money is on that they will give up and not even reply.

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above letter has gone so lets see the responce

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My friend has appealed to Parking eye citing GPOL, they have sent a reply stating the appeas refused and sent a POPLA code!

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Then that should be the main thrust of ther appeal. make sure that you start off by demanding sight of the contract with landowner that gives PE the right to claim for losses in their own name. Then, if that is forthcoming the claim for figure not being a loss or a genuine pre-estimate of loss.

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just wondering how far i can push this with parking eye

 

can i ask a quick question ericsbrother as you seem to know alot about them and how they operate?

 

in the letter they sent the FIL they took a paragraph out of a court case - parking eye V somerfield stores, wasnt this case appealed?, i cant look it up at the min as my internet is V. slow

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It is one of the landmark cases as it determined that Somerfield werent entitled to end their contract with PE just because PE were robbing the customers blind. The judge decided that robbing your customers wanst a valid reason to repudiate a contract nor was it onconscionable enough to change the business relationship between this 2 parties but it did rather point out that the charges were a penalty and unjustified rather than a claim for damages due to breach of contract. PE changed the wording in their contracts with landowners and the wording on their signs in an attempt to kepp the money rolling in. Their court claims have also morphed several times as for why they are suing so it is obvious to anyone following their antics that they didnt have a case to start with and are rather stupid to fight any defended claim as they will nealry always lose.

They are obviously quoting bits of that case out of context as it really was about B2B bilateral contracts, not a unilateral contract via an advertisement.

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hmm ill type up what they put in a bit as the quote they've used says that someone would fail to say that it was a penalty

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I conclude that any motorist using the car park would be

contractually bound to pay the charge of £75 if he exceeded the specified

time limit and a demand for payment was made upon him. Whilst he

might argue that the charge in question amounted to a penalty and was

therefore irrecoverable, I think he would probably fail in that contention.

But it seems to me, on the limited material presently before me, that he

would probably succeed in any argument that the increase to £135 in the

event of a failure to pay within the specified period did amount to a

penalty.

 

the bit in red is what parking eye didnt say but i found in the full transcript

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Then that should be the main thrust of ther appeal. make sure that you start off by demanding sight of the contract with landowner that gives PE the right to claim for losses in their own name. Then, if that is forthcoming the claim for figure not being a loss or a genuine pre-estimate of loss.

 

 

Hi, thanks for responding. We have already requested proof that the contract with the landowner gives them the right to claim loss but they have ignored that in their replies. They have sent a POPLA code and information sheet. The Info sheet states only 4 grounds for appeal:

 

Vehicle was not improperly parked (i.e. you believe you were still within time limit)

Parking charge exceeded the appropriate amount (i.e. you are being asked to pay the wrong amount for the parking charge)

The Vehicle was Stolen

You are not liable for the parking charge (i.e. you sold the vehicle before or bought it after the date of the parking charge)

 

Which of these 4 boxes do we tick to appeal on GPEOL ?

 

Is this wording ok for the appeal? Despite asking Parking Eye to submit a Genuine Pre-estimate of Loss, they have declined to do so. We are aware that charges for breaking a parking contract must be reasonable and a genuine pre-estimate of loss. This means charges must compensate the landholder only for the loss they are likely to suffer because the parking contract has been broken. For example, to cover the unpaid charges and the administrative costs associated with issuing theticket to recover the charges. Charges may not be set at higher levels than necessary to recover business losses and the intention should not be to penalise the driver.

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They can tell you what they want but that does not mean it is true. I recommend that a written appeal is put to POPLA so you dont have to use any tick boxes on the web page. That way you can say anything and the GPEOL is obviously not on the boxes otherwise the parking co's would not bother rejecting your appeal in the first place. PE have a habit of trying to bully people into giving up. they try it on at court as well but as yet no-one has made a formal complaint bout them using the courts as a debt collecting tool when the debt hasnt been proven to exist.

Make a stong note in your POPLA appeal that you have requested the proof of contract with LL that allows them to claim in their own name but they refused to let you see it and that you therefore contend that until you get sight of the contract you dispute PE's right to claim any contract exists to have been breached.

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OK, thanks. They actually sent a POPLA form to fill in but I will write a letter of appeal based on GPEOL with wording along the lines of:

 

Despite asking Parking Eye to submit a Genuine Pre-estimate of Loss, they have declined to do so. We are aware that charges for breaking a parking contract must be reasonable and a genuine pre-estimate of loss. This means charges must compensate the landholder only for the loss they are likely to suffer because the parking contract has been broken. For example, to cover the unpaid charges and the administrative costs associated with issuing theticket to recover the charges. Charges may not be set at higher levels than necessary to recover business losses and the intention should not be to penalise the driver.

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I seem to be getting a bit lost in this. Any other ideas or is it just wait for replies? Anything else I can do to make parking eye some difficulties?

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I seem to be getting a bit lost in this. Any other ideas or is it just wait for replies? Anything else I can do to make parking eye some difficulties?

 

Having had in the past a few conversations with PE employees (before POFA) basically to wind them up, I think I can say talking to them is a waste of time. They have only one aim to get you to pay.

 

I once owned a fleet of lorries and vans so regularly got tickets for overnight stays, never as the driver just the keeper. Once had a conversation with a manager wont mention names but he is still there, who after I told him, and he agreed I had no legal obligation to furnish the drivers details, tried to tell me however I had a moral obligation to tell them! I asked if he was in the right job if he wished to be moral!

 

I did also once or twice as their business was a commercial concern and not a legal or statutory body offer to furnish the drivers details for the same fee they wanted from the driver. They never obliged!

 

Talk to the dog, and wait for them to reply.

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just got the popla code, already check and it does match up to the day of refusal

 

no mention of any of the issues raised in the letter tho

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Appeal of Parking eye ticket:

Popla Code:

 

Dear sir I would like to make an appeal of the above ticket on several counts

1) The ticket Is not a Genuine Pre-estimate of loss, We asked for a breakdown of this in our first appeal to parking eye and received a letter stating that they did NOT have to provide a genuine pre-estimate of loss but only a “commercial justification” – they also said this would include the cost of installing the cameras, membership of bodies and other things that were not losses from this event, we require that a Genuine Pre-estimate of loss is provided

2) As the car park in question is a free car park there is no initial loss to the land owner, therefore there is no loss for parking eye to claim against

3) Parking eye have been unable to give accurate times in which the car was parked, only providing entry and exit pictures, which only proves time in the car park not time parked, We require that parking eye proves length of time the car was parked

4) The signage is not clear and legible as the only signs in the carpark including the one on entry are set above head height, with small text, which cannot be read by the driver of a car entering the carpark (see attached image)

5) Parking eye have not been able to provide a copy of the contract that allows them to chase for monies on the landowners behalf, we require that they produce the full unredacted contract proving they have this authority

6) Parking eye failed to provide a correct notice to keeper in that they failed to provide details of the dispute resolution services available

7) Parking eye failed to allow a grace period as required by British Parking Association Regulations

 

Please Find also enclosed Copies of communication, Still Image from car entering carpark showing sign, Dvd Video of dashboard camera showing un-readability of sign from car.

 

 

Anything else needs to go in or do you think thats acceptable?

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The first line wins it currently...

Then you have a few more points that will win.

PE will offer no evidence to POPLA and the appeal will be allowed. (In my opinion. )

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If you are after more ammo, this is not an automatic win but not supplying a code on your first appeal is a no-no along with your failure of 'notice to keeper' of popla.This shows a second procedural error, (a pattern emerges). I cant find the link just yet but parking prankster should have some more information on this as it is a common tactic not to issue codes (or issue incorrect ones) and then hope you are out of time for the popla process

 

note the 'you must' . Grounds for a procedural error i think

 

BPA Ltd Code of Practice

 

 

 

22.12 If you reject a challenge you must:

• tell the motorist how to make an appeal to POPLA. This includes providing a template ‘notice of appeal’ form, or a link to the appropriate website for lodging an appeal and the 10-digit verification code. Even if the verification code is automatically printed on an enclosed appeal form, it must still be in the dated rejection notice/letter.

• give the motorist a reasonable amount of time to pay the charge before restarting the collection process.

We recommend that you allow at least 35 days from the date you received the challenge

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going to remove the incorrect notice to keeper part, just receaved the full item from the in-laws (only had image of the front part last time) and the appeal part is on the rear

 

just been back upto the carpark and theres no wonder FIL didnt notice the sign on the way in

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spot the sign on the left and see if you think you could read it from the entrance?

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appeal sent

 

1. Parking Eye have failed to clarify whether the charge is for damages arising from breach of contract or a contractual charge.

 

2. If this is a claim for damages, I require Parking Eye to provide a full breakdown of genuine pre-estimates of loss to the landowner that this charge represents. Obviously, business running costs do not apply. I contend that the landowner and Parking Eye have suffered no loss on an alleged overstay in a free car park.

 

3. If this is issued as a contractual charge, I require Parking Eye to provide proof that the charge is fair, reasonable and not punitive. I submit that Parking Eye has not provided a mechanism on site if the driver wishes to stay for longer than 60 minutes, and it is an unfair attempt to make a party pay excessively for an event which would normally be 'breach of contract.' I contend that the £90 charge is punitive, and an unenforceable penalty.

 

4. I require Parking Eye to produce to POPLA the contemporaneous and unredacted contract between the landowner and Parking Eye that authorises them to issue parking charge notices. I contend that there is no contract with the landowner that entitles Parking Eye to levy these charges and to pursue these charges in their own name in the Courts, and Parking Eye therefore has no authority to issue charge notices.

 

5. Parking eye have been unable to give accurate times in which the car was parked, only providing entry and exit pictures, which only proves time in the car park not time parked, We require that parking eye proves length of time the car was parked

 

6. The signage is not clear and legible as the only signs in the carpark are set above head height, There is also no clear and legible sign on entry as parking eye have installed this sign facing the opposite directions to the flow of traffic on entry (see attached image)

 

7. Parking eye failed to allow a grace period as required by British Parking Association Regulations

 

 

 

Sorry but the appeal was so well written on the other thread that i stole it to replace some of the badly written parts of mine

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  • 4 weeks later...

just as an aside the car park has (after only a month) now become patrolled by UKPCS

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just as an aside the car park has (after only a month) now become patrolled by UKPCS

 

Then PE will definitely offer no evidence to POPLA then...

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