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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Just had a call from Father in law, he parked in a car park near the town center (free car park) for a 13 min overstay

 

its one hes used for a long time and theres never been an issue before, turns out they have recently (so recently i havent seen them yet) put anpr in

 

hes a little panicked as they have written to them (notice to keeper) and requested £90 or £54 if its paid within 14 days, ive reassured him best i can (basically promised if it came to court i would pay myself)

 

I know that we need to appeal - they will refuse

then to appeal to popla with GPEOL

 

just thinking of writting the appeal to parking eyes along the lines of

 

The Driver would like to appeal the notice to keeper provided for ticket number xxxxxxxx

 

You have stated that the reason for the ticket is parking for a duration of longer than 2 hours, however The Driver was actually parked for less than the two hours due to the fact that the car park was busy and The Driver had to wait inside the carpark for a car to vacate a bay, as you are aware the terms and conditions on your sign state that i am only in breach of contract if The Driver is parked for over 2 hours, although you have entrance and exit pictures showing The Driver was inside the carpark for over 2 hours this does not relate to the amount of time parked

 

The Driver would also like to point out that as the car park is a free carpark and your systems are automated needing no human intervention that the parking charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, and is infact over 3 times the cost of a council charge in the same area, it is also not allowed to include the general costs of business susch as installing cameras and signs but can only be losses caused by the parking in question, these can only be items such as the fee to the DVLA and the cost of postage for your notices, therefore The Driver is offering a goodwill total of £10 in costs, if you accept this then please reply as such and write the ticket off, if not please reply with a full breakdown of your actual costs specific to this case

 

if you wish to deny this appeal then the driver requires that you do so within 14 days and provide a full and correct popla number so we can appeal further

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Hi,

For starters, I would remove 'I' and replace with 'The Driver' where you are using 'I'' as the identity of the driver.

 

Remove 'fine' and replace with 'speculative invoice' or 'parking charge' (depending on how naughty you want to be)

 

Don't even offer the tenner as once it gets to POPLA and the question of GPEOL is used, the appeal should be in your favour

 

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same as my thoughts on the tenner but father in law would like it over with asap

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Firstly, did the invoice come within fourteen days of the overstay.? (PE normally get that bit right).

The appeal to PE should be kept simple.

 

' As registered keeper of vehicle reg xxxxxxx , I wish to appeal your parking charge notice no. xxxxxx.

As registered keeper I am not liable for this charge. Please invoke your appeals process and cancel this charge, or provide me with a valid verification code for the independent appeals POPLA.

 

No loss has occurred to the land owner by the driver parking on the site.

I am under no obligation to name the driver of this vehicle.'

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In addition to the other usual grounds - many of which have resulted in Parking Eye being defeated, on the basis of what you say, you can also refer to Parking Eye's obligation under their BPA code of practice to allow a grace period. Para. 13 of the code only refers to a grace period on leaving a car park - but clearly it must also take account of the time needed upon entry to find a place to park.

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father in laws just asked is it worth pointing out that he had a hypo attack in the town center (hes diabetic)

its was only a small one but might be a mitigating circumstance

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father in laws just asked is it worth pointing out that he had a hypo attack in the town center (hes diabetic)

its was only a small one but might be a mitigating circumstance

 

 

It will not make PE cancel the charge. If anything it will encourage letter tennis...

 

 

I feel the simple appeal/rejection/POPLA route is the easiest and quickest way to get the charge cancelled.

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quick question although they say only appeal by letter there is actually a section for putting in an appeal online shall i use that?

 

(especially as i can "edit" their own site so the "i am the" section to read "peeved off car owner")

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You get no confirmation that your appeal has been received when using the website.

Personally I would post, and get free proof of postage.

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saved screen shot of the page saying "we acknowledge receipt of your appeal"

 

if i dont hear anything in a week ill post it as well

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  • 2 weeks later...

no responce yet from parking eye

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You shouldn't use their online service. It's a perfect excuse to claim they never received it, even with the screen shot, they can say you must have given the wrong ref. number or other incorrect details.

 

to PE, send them a direct and very short letter as armadillo71 wrote above.

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You shouldn't use their online service. It's a perfect excuse to claim they never received it, even with the screen shot, they can say you must have given the wrong ref. number or other incorrect details.

 

to PE, send them a direct and very short letter as armadillo71 wrote above.

 

100% With that advice and previous same advice from "armadillo71" post # 9.

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If you haven't yet quote: Parking Eye V Mrs X case No 3JD08399 Altrincham county court 17/03/2014 were DJ Hayes found driving around looking for a place to park is not parking. Even 31 minutes.

 

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Well in laws appear to have a response today haven't seen it yet and the in laws don't understand it but they say it appears to be around 7 - 10 pages

 

Oh joy I get to read 10 pages of "we're right your wrong" to find the popla code

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That'll be the pages of "cases they have won" and reasons why you will not win in court ! designed to terrify you into paying up - appeal to POPLA citing genuine pre-estimate of loss.........

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planning to

 

i asked them in the initial appeal to provide a true breakdown of the "cost"

doubt they have

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only 10 pages?? My they are being stingy. I got 42 pages of drivel from them and when I challenged them and the store about planning consent they withdrew their claim. They also replaced all of the signs at that particular place as well so they knew that they were in the wrong re rights to form contract.

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ok just read the reams

 

appeal of course refused but they havent put a poplar code in

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correction

 

1 letter "asking for more information" and "thanking us for telling them we are not the driver" which we didnt

1 letter giving us "information on our appeal, with 4 pages of court cases, and no popla code

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any advice, ive tried ringing parking eye to "converse" with an advisor but have struggled as its a bank holliday so the office is closed

 

plus as im bored i re-filled in the appeal sheet and just put "reply again with a popla code"

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well looking at top of the letter its template EYE01

 

it basicly tries to say that GPEOL is not a valid appeal as far as i can read it.

 

doesnt answer any of the other points i raised

 

as im bored, ive also faxed them now

 

ill ring again on tuesday as thats when they seem to be open again, office number appears to be 0844 247 2984, its a couple of digits higher than the automated payline, or alternativly go to the automated line and keep pressing hash until it says it will connect you to someone

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Advice? yes dont ring PE ever, if you think you are going to get an honest answer you are much mistaken. Their sole income stream is from telling lies and they rely on people falling for it. Just write the letter to POPLA and leave these clowns to play their silly games.

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