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    • Thank you very much for your help. To answer your two questions:  1. I did not send a CPR request when the Claim Form arrived. 2. They did send a claim form, in March 2023. This is the document from which I copied the particulars of their claim.  
    • Thanks. That's a lot to wade through.  Will get on to it. Two other quick questions. Did you send them a CPR request when the claim form arrived? Are you sure they didn't send a Letter of Claim before they sued you?
    • Hi there, Here is the sticky filled out as best as possible:  Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. 1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260   Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No   Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
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Had a good job, career, home, money, etc.

Then had a prolonged period of inactivity, debts piled up, not opening letters, spiral of anxiety and stress. blah, blah.

 

Now, for past year or so, been earning, and getting back on feet.

 

Looking to start paying back, and deal with all my debts.

Have done as much due diligence as I can, and need some pointers.

 

I have a number of creditors, with debts totalling around 45K.

Have been paying token payments of £1 to most, some more.

 

Looking to get StepChange advice and help.

But also need some idea of full and final offers to really motor down the debts.

 

So, as a starter, here are some of my most pressing questions:

 

1: I am having difficulty filling in my Income and Expenditure, as my income fluctuates.

(I am working freelance, as am probably too old to be employed by a company.)

I am wary of entering payment schedule and failing. Prefer to keep paying token amounts, then offer surplus every 6 months or so.

Would creditors go for this?

 

2: I understand the first step may be to get CCAs from my creditors.

Are there any downsides to asking for CCAs?

Would creditors sense that I am trying to wriggle out, and go for asking for more, or get heavy-handed?

 

3: Are CCAs only for debt companies, or even the Originating creditor?

(some of my debts have been off-loaded to debt-companies.)

 

4: What is the purpose of SARs?

How does that help me?

I understand they might be for finding penalty fees, etc?

I know I accrued a lot when I couldn't pay any amounts when I started my downhill slide.

 

5: When offering Full and Finals, do I go for the biggest first?

 

6: I have been sold from one debt-company to another on some debts, I dont know what I am paying for on some of the payments!!

Can I just phone them up and ask where the original debt comes from?

(I have signed up with noddle, and got my list of creditors and credit file, so I have a starting point.

 

I have been reading this forum for a few days, and have built up some knowledge, and seen how helpful this site can be.

I would like to ask for some help in taking the first steps for an eventual bright future.

 

PS: would it be ok to list my debts (with some fudging to protect myself) as a starting point?

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yes sure list your debts

 

have you looked at your credit file?

 

if you don't know what you're are paying for then a CCA request them now!

 

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Welcome to CAG,

Are any of your debts with debt collection agencies?

Have you checked credit reference files yet. Would help to see the ages and default dates of the debts.

CCA requests to see if agreements exist first.

Do not deal with these debts on the phone for any reason, even if you can record calls, you need a paper trail.

 

 

Yes please list the debts:

 

 

Original Creditor......

DCA.......

Amount OS £.....

Start Date........

Default Date......

Arrangement to pay?

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Thank you for replying to the thread.

 

In no particular order: source of info: noddle.

 

Original Creditor...... Alliance + Leicester CC

DCA....... Arrow Global ( I think this one has gone round the houses, eg, once was through Moorgate, etc)

Amount OS £..... 16,500

Start Date........ 01/08/2005

Default Date...... 31/01/2011

Arrangement to pay? £1 token amount

 

Original Creditor...... MBNA CC (I think!)

DCA....... Arrow Global

Amount OS £.....8,100

Start Date........ 01/09/2004

Default Date...... 30/11/2010

Arrangement to pay? £1 token

 

Original Creditor...... Co-Op CC

DCA....... Frederickson

Amount OS £.....1,400

Start Date........01/12/2001

Default Date......01/09/2013 (I was paying £1 token. I guess they got tired, and sold onto Fredo)

Arrangement to pay? £1 token to Fredo

 

Original Creditor...... Mint CC

DCA.......still with Mint

Amount OS £.....1,600

Start Date........01/01/2006

Default Date......01/10/2010

Arrangement to pay? £2 token (they have been very nice to me, and helpful)

 

Original Creditor...... Barclaycard

DCA....... still with barclaycard

Amount OS £.....1,900

Start Date........01/10/2002

Default Date......none

Arrangement to pay? £10 pcm.

 

Original Creditor......Halifax CC

DCA.......still with Halifax via Blair something, something

Amount OS £.....9,600

Start Date........01/11/2007

Default Date......15/01/2011

Arrangement to pay? £1 token (to be fait to them, they have been quiet, and let me get on with just tokens)

 

Original Creditor......Santander unsecured loan

DCA....... still woth Santander I think, although CapQuest got involved.

Amount OS £.....2,000

Start Date........01/01/2008

Default Date......01/08/2011

Arrangement to pay? £2

 

Original Creditor......Santander "other" accounts

DCA.......still with Santander, but will need to check

Amount OS £.....2,200

Start Date........01/07/2005

Default Date......01/01/2011

Arrangement to pay? £1 token

 

Original Creditor......Capital One

DCA.......capquest

Amount OS £.....4800

Start Date........01/11/2008

Default Date......01/09/2010

Arrangement to pay? £1 token

 

Original Creditor......Co-Op

DCA....... Frederickson

Amount OS £.....450

Start Date........01/07/2000

Default Date......01/08/2013 (another recent move to fredo)

Arrangement to pay? £1 token

 

I really need to dig out my stuff and verify the originators. I know Alliance and Leicester got bought out by Santander, etc.

I had this habit of only keeping the last 12months of statements, so have lost track of late payment charges, switch to different companies, etc.

 

My slide downhill started around 3 years ago, and have been paying token amounts diligently since then.

But I am confused about which ones have been switched around and sold one. I know that Westcot were involved, but my noddle CRA doesnt show Westcot as receiving my payments.

 

I have 4 accounts showing as "closed"; MBNA, Santander/Abbey; Halifax and Egg.

First 2 showing as Satisfied, the last two as Settled.

Part of me is thinking they wrote off the debt, and DCA picked up and are cash-cowing me.

Part of me thinking the debt was sold on. Dont know how to check one way or another.

 

Thank you for reading this far.

What is my next step, please?

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Should I phone the DCAs up and clarify the original source of the debt?

Part of me wants to do it for clarity.

But at the same time I dont want to awaken them to me seeking this info from them, in case they start getting aggressive.

 

I have made all the classic mistakes of talking to them on phone, and giving them security info!! (I didnt know not to)

Anyway, I have found the original owners of the debts, Mint, Barclaycard, seem more helpful than the DCAs, who are always fishing for info, etc.

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never ever phone a dca

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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barring the banks account

 

I would send a cca request to all you are paying.

 

and plan to sar the original creditors

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I read somewhere on this forum that asking for a CCA or SAR can backfire.

In what way can this happen?

(will try to hunt down the thread and link it here)

 

 

Also, if I have lost track of account numbers, I would need the CCA info back before sending off the SARs?

 

Can I just make a generic request for all info they have on me?

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an sar is all about YOU and the bank.

so number are n't really needed.

 

theres nothing that can happen regarding CCA/SAr requests

it is your LEGAL right.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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CCA requests and SARs are lawful requests for information and have no impact on limitations or anything else.

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thanks for help on my first steps. will start off with requests over the coming week.

 

PS: am I obligated to provide an Income and Expenditure breakdown?

my concern is because of the fluctuating nature of my income.

 

Is StepChange any good?

Or can this be handled by myself?

(actually I have been, but passively, if you know what I mean. I am taking more pro-active steps now)

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Address to the Compliance Manager POP is ok, you can send signed for, but if the address has a |PO Box No. then often this is a waste of money.

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What is POP?

 

Will send with Certificate of Posting, to be consistent with all DCAs.

Proof of Posting.

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I have pin-pointed who needs to be sent a CCA.

 

But, of the remaining creditors, ie, Barcalycard, Halifax, etc, since they are the original creditors, they should be sent a request for a SAR.

 

I understand the purpose of a CCA, to ensure the DCA has the authority to own the debt, and it is valid.

 

But, does a SAR also include the CCA?

Is the purpose of a SAR to establish unfair penalties, or to establish the viability of the debt as well, as would a CCA?

 

sorry for being picky, and overthinking, but that's my nature!

 

Planning to send SARs to Barclaycard, Halifax, Mint, etc. (shame in a way, as they have been more accomodating overall)

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leave the £1 PO's BLANK.

 

the purpose of an sar is to get ALL the data they hold on 'you'

for whatever purpose yu wish to use it.

 

 

if/if not that provides a copy of the CCA is debatable

some do some don't.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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leave the £1 PO's BLANK.

 

the purpose of an sar is to get ALL the data they hold on 'you'

for whatever purpose yu wish to use it.

 

 

if/if not that provides a copy of the CCA is debatable

some do some don't.

 

when sending the £10 for the SAR, should that also be blank?

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no because you are posting those to the original creditor

whom holds your data and that source does not change

anddont forget to put any/all past addreses if you have moved

 

if you have

also include a copy of your CTAX bill

to prove where you reside now

IF that is diff from the address you were at when you took the credit out.

 

and SIGN the SAR letter too.

 

you DO NOT sign the CCA request

nor send a cheque with a CCA request

as it leaves your sig open to 'abuse'.

 

which is why we recommend postal orders.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

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Hi

just for info,

when I sent all my CCA requests over 2 years ago now

I sent them by RM signed for delivery to the contact address I had for whoever was chasing me. A couple wrote back telling me who I had to send it to . If I remember with the exception of Iqor and RBS (mint/Natwest) I got signatures straight away on the website. The others I had to chase up with Royal Mail.

They all arrived and they took between 10 days and 18 months for them to get reply or get copies to me.

 

You may have a better chance of low F&F payments with the debts that have been sold on . The less likely they think they are to get significant payments , the more likely they are (from what I have seen) to accept lower F&F's.

If they are accepting £1 a month at the moment and they send a compliant CCA request back I would be inclined to stay at £1 but save save save and when you have say 25% of a debt saved offer a full n final of say 10% ...gives you a bit of negotiation room. It might not work but worth a shot.

 

I hope they have all frozen interest and charges, if not that should be your first priority

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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Complexity!

 

Just phoned Westcot (on list of people I pay)

They are just collecting for a company called Credit Securities.

 

Got them to agree to send me in writing who the true owners of the debt are.

 

This is just an unholy mess!

 

got an email from westcot.

 

they now want me to send them my full name, address and any previous addresses, and birth date before they will send me a letter confirming the debt has been passed on.

 

something to do with Data Protection.

 

this despite they passed the debt on, without informing me, but are taking my money.

 

it seems they can play fast and loose, but when I want something, I have to jump through hoops.

 

what do I do?

 

I just want them to confirm the new owners of the debt so I can send the CCA to the correct people.

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if wescot are collecting from you, send the cca request to wescot, but dont be giving those personal details to wescot

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