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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I will allow you to update the thread on to days events,prior to me making a comment.

 

In the meantime .... Photos listing as follows

 

Group. bbb Shot 2 +5 Velux and Forticrete

 

Group. ccc Shot 1 +2 Velux

 

Group. ddd Shot 1 +3 +4 Velux

 

Group. eee Shot 1 + 2 + 4 Velux

 

Group. fff Shot 1 + 2 +3 +4 Velux and Forticrete

 

Group. ggg Shot 1 Velux

 

Group. hhh Shot 1 Velux and Forticrete

 

Group. iii Shot 1+2+3+5 Velux

Shot 4 Velux and Forticrete

 

Group. jjj Shot 1+5 Velux

 

Group. kkk Shot 2+4 Velux

 

Group. lll Shot 1 Velux.

 

Catch up with you tomorrow.

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Kinger

 

You need to do a covering letter to the contacts I gave you for both Velux and Forticrete.

They require your contact details and address.

You will need to label each photo pointing out the errors as previously discussed.

 

Both these guys know their stuff and can assist.

Not "What you know, but who you know". .......In your roofers case ... neither !!!

 

I'm talking to Velux tomorrow... Ooops Today I mean. (just checked the time) :jaw:

 

As I said before "The show ain't over till The Fat Lady Sings"

 

Keep your chin up. I'm up for the next 10 rounds.

 

Look at it like this.. One door shut.... I just opened another two. :-D

F16

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Hi. Sorry for the delay in updates. The building inspector attended and refused to climb and inspect the roof. I told him all of the flaws which F16 had kindly helped me with and he told me that it was too specialised and not within building regulation's remit. The two inspectors were not interested in the poor installation, the lack of ventilation.

 

 

They did say that because the roof was leaking at the time they attended they would not issue a certificate but they would do so once the leak was rectified. They said that they have no issues with the pitch either and that I should hire a project manager or a surveyor to ensure the other aspects of the roof are satisfactory ( but the roof is already completed!)

 

 

With the help of F16, I have contacted Velux and Forticrete and they may inspect the roof and provide me with a report. They seem genuinely interested in this case especially as it involves their products and both have reiterated that the combination of windows and tiles cannot be installed at less than 15 degrees.

 

 

Can I present additional information at court and can I reject the building inspectors certificate and withhold payment as I believe the roof is still not fit for purpose? Especially considering that the building inspectors have essentially said that the roof is too complicated for them to pass judgement on.

 

 

I will post any replies I receive and keep this updated.

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What about the builder, have you set dates for his inspection yet?

 

You can apply to the court at any time, I'm just not sure that throwing good money after bad is going to provide you with the remedy you want.

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Hi Mike

Yes I will confirm on Kingers behalf that the "Roofer" has been sent an Email asking what dates in the next 2 weeks he would like to attend

to resolve the issue.

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Sensible not to encourage an application from the other side.

 

I did look at the pics and to be polite, it appears ( from a laypersons pointy of view) to be a shoddy finish and I don't think I'd be excited by it if it were my home. Having said that, the case is what it is, people spend thousands and exhaust years of their lives on cases just such as this. I think I'd aim for the best finish possible without the courts further intervention and put it down to experience.

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Mike

Due to the Building Control deciding that as long as the roof is not leaking they will "Pass" it. (It appears they "make up" the "rules" as they go).

 

What Kinger and I are working on is the"insurance clause". Materials not to manufactures spec.

I think I've negotiated a "deal" with Velux and Forticrete tiles where they will provide Kinger with "expert" reports.

 

The question is:

After it is proved the insurance will not "cover" the roof.

 

Can these reports be submitted to court ???

 

And how should Kinger go about this ???

 

Cheers F16

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Building control was to be expected, it won't go beyond its remit. I think you should cross that (insured risk) bridge as and when the time comes. Settlement is subject to underwriting, if that isn't possible it will either fall to a compromise of the case (consent order of lower value) or back to the courts intervention.

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Building control was to be expected, it won't go beyond its remit.

 

I agree but ..........

 

Roof Ventilation was within their remit, but they "Side stepped it" (Ignored it)

Roof straps (ties) again within their remit but conveniently "side stepped"

 

Kinger has been miss lead by the architect and roofer regarding the "Pitch" and now let down by Building Control.

 

To cap it all. .. "Mr magoo with a blind fold" fitted the roof.

(Kinger Google "Mr Magoo". ... You will understand. I'm old,your young)

 

The only "fail safe" now is the insurance clause (underwriting) backed up by expert statements / reports

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What about the builder, have you set dates for his inspection yet?

 

You can apply to the court at any time, I'm just not sure that throwing good money after bad is going to provide you with the remedy you want.

 

I have tried to be as flexible and accommodating as possible by allowing the roofer to select the dates he wants to attend.

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I agree but ..........

 

Roof Ventilation was within their remit, but they "Side stepped it" (Ignored it)

Roof straps (ties) again within their remit but conveniently "side stepped"

 

Kinger has been miss lead by the architect and roofer regarding the "Pitch" and now let down by Building Control.

 

To cap it all. .. "Mr magoo with a blind fold" fitted the roof.

(Kinger Google "Mr Magoo". ... You will understand. I'm old,your young)

 

The only "fail safe" now is the insurance clause (underwriting) backed up by expert statements / reports

 

Hi f16. I think the insurance is the last and final thing we can fall back onto. After that I don't know what else there is. It seems like almost every avenue has been exhausted and justice has definitely not been done so far. I'll be posting any replies to emails I receive tomorrow

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I have tried to be as flexible and accommodating as possible by allowing the roofer to select the dates he wants to attend.

 

I don't doubt it kinger, I'm just cautious of you losing more than the price of an unsatisfactory build if this is protracted.

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Hi f16. I think the insurance is the last and final thing we can fall back onto. After that I don't know what else there is. It seems like almost every avenue has been exhausted and justice has definitely not been done so far. I'll be posting any replies to emails I receive tomorrow

 

Kinger

He won't get past that one !!!

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I don't doubt it kinger, I'm just cautious of you losing more than the price of an unsatisfactory build if this is protracted.

 

Mike

I don't do the legal bit. .... Said many times.

That is what I find so interesting on this forum... "Balanced debate".

 

The way I view this is.

 

The Judge "kindly" gave Kinger more than enough rope to "hang" the roofer.

This "piece of rope" has just been shortened by Building Control.

Thanks to the Judge including the Insurance there is still enough rope.

 

This is going to be the last "throw of the dice" on this judgement.

I can't see Kinger has anything to lose.

 

I agree that if he proceeded past this point he would have to consider the costs involved and "what he has to lose"

 

What is your view on the situation ???

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My view persists, the claim is relatively low in quantum, DJ's have a relatively high expectation of professional damage/loss ( comes with the salary) and a low expectation of lips losses. Hearings are held and decided not necessarily on legalities within the SCT but on fairness of the judgment. I don't agree its right, it is what it is and utterly dumbfounding at times.

 

In this case the DJ appears to have considered the claimants case as reasonable ( in respect of meruit) but has erred on the side of caution in allowing for building control and risk underwriter to decide for him.

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I don't agree its right, it is what it is and utterly dumbfounding at times

 

Amen. I agree with that !!!!

 

So "IF" it ends up in front of the DJ because the roofer can't get the correct insurance.

 

Can kinger produce further evidence to back up his counter claim ????

 

Or does he have to make a separate claim ????

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