Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • I have just read the smaller print on their signs. It says that you can pay at the end of your parking session. given that you have ten minutes grace period the 35 seconds could easily have been taken up with walking back to your car, switching on the engine and then driving out. Even in my younger days when I used to regularly exceed speed limits, I doubt I could have done that in 35 seconds even when I  had a TR5.
    • Makers of insect-based animal feed hope to be able to compete with soybeans on price.View the full article
    • Thank you for posting up the results from the sar. The PCN is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. Under Section 9 [2][a] they are supposed to specify the parking time. the photographs show your car in motion both entering and leaving the car park thus not parking. If you have to do a Witness Statement later should they finally take you to Court you will have to continue to state that even though you stayed there for several hours in a small car park and the difference between the ANPR times and the actual parking period may only be a matter of a few minutes  nevertheless the CEL have failed to comply with the Act by failing to specify the parking period. However it looks as if your appeal revealed you were the driver the deficient PCN will not help you as the driver. I suspect that it may have been an appeal from the pub that meant that CEL offered you partly a way out  by allowing you to claim you had made an error in registering your vehicle reg. number . This enabled them to reduce the charge to £20 despite them acknowledging that you hadn't registered at all. We have not seen the signs in the car park yet so we do not what is said on them and all the signs say the same thing. It would be unusual for a pub to have  a Permit Holders Only sign which may discourage casual motorists from stopping there. But if that is the sign then as it prohibits any one who doesn't have a permit, then it cannot form a contract with motorists though it may depend on how the signs are worded.
    • Defence and Counterclaim Claim number XXX Claimant Civil Enforcement Limited Defendant XXXXXXXXXXXXX   How much of the claim do you dispute? I dispute the full amount claimed as shown on the claim form.   Do you dispute this claim because you have already paid it? No, for other reasons.   Defence 1. The Defendant is the recorded keeper of XXXXXXX  2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. 3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. 4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant. 5. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer. 6. In a further abuse of the legal process the Claimant is claiming £50 legal representative's costs, even though they have no legal representative. 7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all. Signed I am the Defendant - I believe that the facts stated in this form are true XXXXXXXXXXX 01/05/2024   Defendant's date of birth XXXXXXXXXX   Address to which notices about this claim can be sent to you  
    • pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’.  Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time.  You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID.  You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.<<**IMPORTANT**  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim type your name ONLY no need to sign anything .you DO NOT await the return of paperwork. you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

sherforce towed/damaged mates car over my business debt!! **paid repairs**


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 2562 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Thank you to everyone who has offered help and advice.

 

 

I feel the whole situation has got out of control because they refused to listen.

 

 

I feel terrible for my friend as he has nothing to do with the debt.

 

 

Worried car has been damaged or we won't get it back.

 

 

They don't seem to play by the rules at all

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 90
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Good morning AS.

 

 

Yes I have received your PM.

 

 

Am unable to send you reply as PM as have not got 30 posts, so reply is here instead.

 

 

Thank you so much for that.

Will get on to it.

 

 

Hoping car is not already at auction or sold.

Don't even know where they were taking it

 

Sorry my kindle did some editing of its own.

 

 

I meant WD not AS. Apologies for that!

Link to post
Share on other sites

No problem lol....the car will not and cannot be sold as it holds a third party claim upon it...but if Sherforce go against all the odds and decide to follow their backsides instead of their brains, then your friend will be in line for a nice shiney new car..

 

Logic should tell them they have done wrong to seize the car without authenticating what was told to them and they should quickly see it could prove to be an expensive 'mistake', but then again this Sherforce and they do have history for starring in the muppets gallery.

 

I cannot stress enough..... there is a tight time frame to getting the third party claim in place you only have 5 days.

 

Cag is a good solid forum and nobody is on a mission to self glory, so you can depend on the advice given.

 

WD.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If they sell the car after being told it isnt the debtors, then they would be in pretty deep trouble. The actual owner could even sue the bailiff both personally and the company.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok. Thanks guys.

 

 

I did have a look at the site before posting my thread so got the jist that you guys knew what you were talking about.

 

One laugh at sherforce expense...

.. when I told them that the car was not in fact mine

the hceo challenged my claim because there were soft toys in the back of the car and one was pink!!!!

 

 

Pointed out that the owner has grandchildren.

i presume that was the only proof that they needed!!

 

 

Oh yes my "[problem]" has been proven by the presence of a pink bear and Kermit the frog!!!

 

 

Good work guys:???::lol:

Link to post
Share on other sites

I can see Sherfarce scuttling to a Master for protection again when it dawns on them they have screwed up AGAIN. They have relied on the fact the car was parked on your drive so assumed it was available without bothering to check, and like the Bridlington chippy decided they were right whatever, until they realised they had made a big mistake.In this day and age with parking at a premium, chances are they are going to take a car where the occupier works elsewhere and rents the space out to a fellow commuter, Sherfarce call pinch the commuters car.....Oops!!!

 

T

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hope that at least this will help someone who finds themself in a similar position.

 

 

When asked the hceo said they had done checks.

 

 

He seemed unwilling or unable to say what they were.

 

 

What he "checked"it was on my drive?

 

 

Well done ....the creditor himself could have "checked" that.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Of course if their Shercar system had of been running they could of done a simple DVLA check particularly as you had warned them and they should have been more cautious.

 

Just for info, electronic DVLA searches are usually returned in 24 to 48 hours and are not instant.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just for info, electronic DVLA searches are usually returned in 24 to 48 hours and are not instant.

 

Thanks for the clarification HCEOs

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 4 months later...

Hi everyone,

 

Would love to know if there is a legal time limit for return of vehicle once receipt has been given to HCEO to prove that they have removed someone else's car for a debt that is mine.

 

They are saying there is not and that it is just "tough".

 

 

They have been provided with all info they asked for and it seems they are just trying to be difficult for the sake of it.

 

Thanks for any help

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

After 4 months of fighting sherforce ,

at the same time as having cancer treatment and losing 2 close family members,

 

my friend can now collect his car.

 

It has been a total nightmare and quite frankly a very stressful experience.

 

I would like to thank everyone who helped me and apologise for the delay in update.

 

Just one more question.

 

The release form that has been sent asks that he signs for receipt of vehicle

and to confirm it is in same condition as when seized.

 

He wants to get it checked by a garage as it was dragged away and he does not know exactly what has happened in 4 months they have had it.

 

What should he write on receipt to say it is subject to a check by a mechanic?

 

Thanking you in advance for any suggestions

 

Susie

 

R

Link to post
Share on other sites

once you have a thread running on a debt or an issue

 

you keep to one thread

for all issues relating to it

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

great news then

 

has he not got AA or RAC cover?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

they do inspections

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you WD. Just wanted to make sure that if his car has sustained any damage he will be in a position to claim.

Would any claim be to sherforce or to the creditor who employed them?

 

Susie

Go for both as they could well be jointly and severally liable.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...