ANPR Ltd - Parking Charge notice **Appeal upheld at POPLA**

[BETTYBOO1954]

Hi Everyone, I'm new to the forum and am struggling a bit finding my way around. I think I've just tagged myself onto someone else's thread and now can't find where I put my message!!....I'm very much a novice at this and don't understand any of the jargon.

 

Anyway, I'll start again. I've jus been issued with a Parking charge notice from ANPR Ltd asking for a payment of £100 for 'trespassing' on a car park in The Precinct, Lodge Drive, Culcheth which will be reduced to £50 if we pay within 14 days.

 

 

They state that they have a contract with the land owners to prevent 'such incidents'. We parked on car park at 6.30 last night for an hour.

 

All shops were closed and we thought that it would be fine to park there as there were a number of other cars there too. The notice said we went to the pub, so there must have been someone watching and issued the notice immediately we left our car there.

 

I'm going to go back to the car park today to see what the notice says and take a photo of it. I've noticed that you have said to other people to ignore the notice, but as my circumstance is slightly different, I wondered if I should ignore it too.

 

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

Edited August 4, 2013 by citizenB
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[citizenB]

It is best you have your own thread anyway, but for future reference - you should be able to see what posts/threads you have made or subscribed to by looking at your User Control Panel (identified as "User CP") at the top right hand side of the screen - near to the log out button

[BETTYBOO1954]

:lol:Hi there, thanks for the information. Hopefully I'll get better at all this....or maybe not!!

[citizenB]

It will take a little time to get used to things.. but you will

[filrobbo]

Don't pay the sharks take it up with the owner of the land, they them have to prove your parking made them lose money by you parking there.

[BETTYBOO1954]

:-(Thanks, I may do that, just need to find out who that is. What a nightmare!!

[filrobbo]

You could just ignor them, if they take you to court they have to prove the loss of the amount they are asking and you don't have a contract with them just the land owner.

[crem]

If they don't want people parking there when the shops have closed (thereby causing no harm), then they should put a barrier at the entrance that can be dropped down at close of business.

[BETTYBOO1954]

Yes, I agree, we were saying that yesterday. It's just a cash cow for them. I wonder if the landowneres are aware of their mercenary behaviour!!

[ericsbrother]

ANPR cant clasim anything for trespass as it isnt their land. If you respond to them, tell them this and say that you will only discuss the matter with the occupier of the land and no them. Ther was no-one watching, the company plonks cameras down on other peoples' land and rips off people who then visit said land. They probably know that there is a pub there so guessed that is where you had gone. You could ask them for a copy of their registration with the Information Commissioners Off ice that shows they are entitled to spy on people going about their lawful business on premises where they have no authority to be watching.

[Homer67]

Hover your mouse over the work ignore and either follow that advice or actually do ignore everything they send unless you are one of the very few who receive stamped official court papers.

[geoffh2]

I also got a parking ticket last night at lodge drive culcheth and was wondering what the outcome was from your experience

[filrobbo]

I have had them in the past, I haven't paid them any money, the last letter I got looked like a court action letter but it was like a practical's of claims letter, telling me how much with my name and which court but that was it about 2 years ago didn't scare me in to paying it look official but wasn't, you can do one yourself looks good but that about it.

[geoffh2]

got a letter today from ANRP saying I owe £100 if settled now then says £40 for debt recovery costs,£70 for preparing county court evidence setting out case and £135 for judgement enforcing officers fees PER HOUR !!

[esmerobbo]

got a letter today from ANRP saying I owe £100 if settled now then says £40 for debt recovery costs,£70 for preparing county court evidence setting out case and £135 for judgement enforcing officers fees PER HOUR !!

 

Was the one you got on the first of September a notice to keeper, and what did you do regarding it?

[geoffh2]

it was just a yellow and black checked parking charge notice with car reg on, time and place where parked and date. I ignored it completely

[geoffh2]

oh and one other thing is the car is registered to my wife and it was sent to her, she was not driving at the time

[esmerobbo]

Two things you can do appeal to ANPR or ignore them and hope they go away.

 

To help with an appeal we would need to know why this charge was issued. Especially with ANPR because they have some crazy conditions on their signs!

[ericsbrother]

Even if they win they wont get all the money they claim, they must be completely mad to think that they have a claim for such things. Their previous form is not good, no proper contract with landowner and terms that dont hold water so they havent gone further than scary letters and then pass your details on to debt Recovery Plus (plus what? they dont do anything) who write to you from their portakabin behind the pub.

[geoffh2]

we were on a night out in culcheth and parked in a car park opposite the restaurant we were going in.

when we got back to the car there was a ticket on windscreen time of issue was about 2 mins after I parked there so it was obvious someone was in a car watching, it was a Saturday night at 19:46. apparently the car park is for the use of customers visiting shops across the road which were all closed at that time and not for the restaurant we were going in. there was no barrier and no charges displayed or anywhere to pay, there was ample spaces

[esmerobbo]

Appeal to ANPR they will reject and send you a letter like this!

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46935&d=1381940495

 

My reply on that thread!

 

Now see I told you they would be sneaky, they have asked you to write to them using the verification code. That code is date generated and is live for 28 days. Should you write to them and they delay their response it would put you outside the 28 day window. You now need to appeal to POPLA!

 

Explanation of the code here!

 

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co...code-mean.html

 

An appeal to POPLA on the grounds of the claim not being a genuine loss will win.

[BETTYBOO1954]

Hi Betty Boo here again. I ignored the parking charge notice that they sent me, but lo and behold, last month I got a letter demanding £50. I didn't pay but sent a letter that I found on your forum, basically saying that I didn't think I had a contract and that LDs werenot enforcable as were punitive. I asked, as letter stated, that they provide landowner details, copies of photographic evidence, diagram of where signs were placed etc, I don't remember on which thread I found the letter so probably have not explained what was in it very well. There was a lot of legal jorgon in it. In any case, I received another letter which completely ignored what I'd asked for and proceeded to spout off about what the numbering convention of their reference meant, and that I should admit liability. I ignored this letter, and have been sent another showing additional costs I will incur for debt collection agency and preparation of court papers. I responded to this saying not to contact me again unless through a court of law etc. and enclosed a copy of my original letter. I have kept copies of everything and when I find out how to attach them, I could send to you if necessary. Should I try to contact the landowner? Any advice would be appreciated.

[BETTYBOO1954]

I've had no response to my letter as stated previously. I expect I should just wait to see what they send next.

[ericsbrother]

No, ignore them, they are desperate for you to worry about this and if you keep contacting them they believe that their threats are getting to you. If you want to write to anyone, write to POPLA quoting the reference number they gave you and when that bounces back it will prove that they arent following the proper protocols but their time to act will be ticking away and thus they would lose any argument by default

[BETTYBOO1954]

Thanks for response. After their initial letter, I sent legal type letter (recorded delivery as advised on forum) which they have continuously ignored, Like Geoff, I got a letter on 1st October, quoting a 'verification number', which I ignored, then a week later a final demand. I then wrote back (I didn't quote their verification no.), sending a copy of my original letter, highlighted with all pertinent points (that was nearly the whole letter) saying that if they continued to ignore my request, I would complain to appropriate authorities, and would, if necessary defend their action in a court of law. I also said that I would have no further correspondence with them. Yesterday I received a 'letter of intent' saying that the debt of £140 would now be passed to H&S Litigation Services. We checked this out on internet and they appear to be the same people as ANPR, just another guise. When I write to POPLA, should I enclose all the correspondence that has been generated so far? I have letters I sent on my computer, but don't know how to attach them. I can't attach theirs, but I'm sure you've seen them all countless times as they are just standard letters.