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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Have had payment plan for TV Licence. My current licence on plan starts 1 June 2013 to 31 May 2014!!

 

There is a plan to cover this period - but as the amount for the TV Licence is for a FUTURE PERIOD - How can they pass to DCA?

 

Am I missing something?

 

Any advices will be appreciated:|:roll::roll:

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Hi

 

Have had payment plan for TV Licence. My current licence on plan starts 1 June 2013 to 31 May 2014!!

 

There is a plan to cover this period - but as the amount for the TV Licence is for a FUTURE PERIOD - How can they pass to DCA?

 

Am I missing something?

 

Any advices will be appreciated:|:roll::roll:

 

Phone TV licensing and find out what they are up to. I think it is Capita that do the admin and my experience has been that their systems are pretty useless.

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They like to make you pay for a year in advance, quite how you know if your still going to be alive or even in this country in 12 months time is beyond me, but I guess it earns them interest and pays for their mansions and flash cars.

 

As for iDiot iQor, they are a dream to deal with, you can run rings round them, they got so annoyed at me refusing to pay that they handed it back to BBC, and never heard a dicky bird since!

 

Renegade is right, it is Cr@pita that deal with their maladministration.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi

 

Have had payment plan for TV Licence. My current licence on plan starts 1 June 2013 to 31 May 2014!!

 

There is a plan to cover this period - but as the amount for the TV Licence is for a FUTURE PERIOD - How can they pass to DCA?

 

Am I missing something?

 

Any advices will be appreciated:|:roll::roll:

 

Have you ever considered not watching live broadcasts?. The way TV is shown today makes it possible to watch through catch up & on demand services ,it is possible to stop watching it " live" & negate the need for a licence fee. If that is not your choice, then ask for a payment card , or make payments every quarter. I would stop paying by DD, its a yearly tax , so pay it in bit size pieces you can afford , when you can afford.

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Just as a point of interest, the TV Licensing site - until about a month ago - used to have very clear guidance under, "Do I need a TV License?"

It plainly stated that you do not need one if you only watch programmes retrospectively rather than "live."

 

The page has recently been updated to make the definitions and circumstances far less clear. Whereas they used to state, "You don't need a TV license if you don't watch programmes 'live' or you only watch programmes via a play again service such as BBC i-Player." However, they now say:

Watching TV on the internet: You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel Islands. Video recorders and digital recorders like Sky+: You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box.

Here's the page:

 

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/

 

 

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I wouldn't be intimidated by their fake web site, look at all the fabrication and untruths that DCA's spout on their web sites, they all claim to use the latest tracing technology and are the market leaders etc etc etc, when we all know this is nothing more than them living in a fantasy world.

 

I treat the BBC with the same contempt.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Without wishing to re-open the debate on the TV licence. This is not a loophole, its the law. Sloppy journalism from the DM. The BBC have been trying to get the licence tax expanded to include the internet for a while now. It will try every trick in the book to con the government in believing that people are

" getting away " with not paying, its simple, you don`t need a licence to view TV this way.

The solution is simple, make the BBC a subscription channel like Sky, those that want to view & pay can do so, the problem then is, no one would pay for their rubbish out put masquerading as programming. IMHO, the BEEB is ultimately doomed in its present funding model.

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I have been told that as my TV is digital and has inbuilt digital channels on it that I have to buy a license whether I watch it or not, so if I wanted to just watch dvd's on it I still have to buy a license, I refuse to pay yearly though and use a payment card, paying 2 weekly, and every week without fail they send me a text demanding that week's payment .....

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I have been told that as my TV is digital and has inbuilt digital channels on it that I have to buy a license whether I watch it or not, so if I wanted to just watch dvd's on it I still have to buy a license, I refuse to pay yearly though and use a payment card, paying 2 weekly, and every week without fail they send me a text demanding that week's payment .....

 

Who told you that please !

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I was told by the guy that sold it to me...he said he had to inform tv licensing as they do all sales for this equipment, and I said I may only use it for dvd watching if I cant afford license and he said it didn't matter I would still be liable for a license as its digital. Although I notice on the remote control that there are two buttons one that says analogue and the other digital.

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Yes he is correct, only in that he has to inform the BBC of your details if you purchase a new TV set.

 

You won't have to inform anyone if you purchase one 2nd hand, and once again you are under NO legal obligation to respond to the BBC' letters, or phonecalls, or commission paid employees who might like to arrive unannounced at your property.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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The solution is simple, make the BBC a subscription channel like Sky, those that want to view & pay can do so, the problem then is, no one would pay for their rubbish out put masquerading as programming. IMHO, the BEEB is ultimately doomed in its present funding model.

 

Except the TVL covers reception of all broadcast TV, and not just the BBC. Freely-available viewing figures also disprove your own subjective opinion of BBC output.

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I have been told that as my TV is digital and has inbuilt digital channels on it that I have to buy a license whether I watch it or not, so if I wanted to just watch dvd's on it I still have to buy a license, I refuse to pay yearly though and use a payment card, paying 2 weekly, and every week without fail they send me a text demanding that week's payment .....

If you are genuinely not watching any broadcast TV, then you don't need a licence. The presence of a tuner in a TV set is immaterial if there is no aerial connected to it.

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Thankyou Staraker, that is what I had believed to be the case until he told me different. Am glad you have clarified it.

 

From the TV adverts I have seen, they imply that they know who is using an aerial so it puzzles me why they cant work out for themselves if I or anyone needs a license.

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From the TV adverts I have seen, they imply that they know who is using an aerial so it puzzles me why they cant work out for themselves if I or anyone needs a license.

 

Purely because if the truth be known, they have no way of knowing who is watching live broadcasts and who isn't, they have no detection equipment be it hand held or in one of their fictional detector vans.

 

All they have is a list of addresses in the UK that tells them who has a licence, and who doesn't, if you needed a licence then you would be made to purchase one at the point of sale of a TV.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Well of course ...Bazooka Boo, I never even gave it that much thought. It would be sign up at purchase. I noticed amongst their information about if you declare you don't need a license that they say they will visit at some point unannounced to check if this is the case, so anyone not using would have no worries on that, but if they see equipment i.e. freeview box they assume you use it, I don't have one, and the aerial is a plug in or out socket that proves nothing.

 

I remember once my old neighbour having a visit from a tv license guy as she didn't have one, I had just popped in with some shopping for her as she was ill with flu at the time, and she let this guy in and he was looking at the tv and pressing buttons, asking if it had been on that morning, she said no it hadn't and she hadn't been using it, and he was like asking a few times, was she sure it hadn't been on etc, I think he even put it on and had a mess about, giving the impression he could tell from it if it had been used. She really wasn't using it, she had been ill for weeks, in bed and lived alone, that day was her first day up.

 

They do scare people somewhat, don't know how true this is but I read an article in a paper a while back that the tv license guy can bring the police to gain entry, if they think your watching tv after stating that you don't.

 

I need to weigh up the worth of what I do watch against the £5.60 I have to pay weekly for it. If I didn't have to pay that it would cover the cost of my now council tax bill. Not looking for sympathy, I realise Mr Cameron feels us on benefits shouldn't even have a tv. whether we are too ill to work or not.

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I read an article in a paper a while back that the tv license guy can bring the police to gain entry, if they think your watching tv after stating that you don't.

 

You are correct in that Police will 'attend' TVL if they have a 'search warrant', the ONLY reason for the police being their is to stop any breach of the peace that may occur.

 

But the presence of the police DOES NOT mean you have to allow the TVL inspector entry to your property, you are more than within your rights to tell them that they are not coming in, regardless, the warrants are fake they are simply photocopied off by the BBC and given to their employees to use against household that have not responded to letters or previous calls to that address, which YOU are NOT legally obliged to do so.

 

And as it is a civil matter, the use of the police is simply to intimidate you. I have had two visits in the last 18 years, both with a search warrant, both with police attending, and neither of them were allowed access, the police couldn't do anything and they agreed that I was well within my rights.

 

I completely agree with having to weigh up what is and isn't a priority now, especially with the continued democide the PM is carrying out, the money I save each year, now goes towards my dental health.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Except the TVL covers reception of all broadcast TV, and not just the BBC. Freely-available viewing figures also disprove your own subjective opinion of BBC output.

 

The TVL is solely for the purpose of funding the BBC, not commercial TV. So called popularity does not constitute quality, if you think watching chefs skate on ice or filming a man doing his job of work is decent out put then we must agree to disagree, it is the lowest common denominator, cheap TV. What commercial channels do is their business, no one pays for them, they live or die by advertising. The BBC is funded by a tax , therefore has a duty to provide , or at least attempt to provide a programming schedule that should seek to set standards, inform , educate as well as entertain. It clearly lost its way a long time ago. I am not getting into an argument with you or bothering to reply again, a thoroughly rotten & morally bankrupt organisation that should have its funding re modelled or be put out to grass.

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