Freud and plans for those awaiting WCA

[Slatted]

Apologies if this is posted somewhere else but I thought it needed to be here!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9683811/Prepare-for-work-or-lose-your-benefits-long-term-sick-are-told.html

[Dilizjo]

A very one sided article, Telegraph you should be ashamed..........

[estellyn]

I should know better than to read things that will make me angry just before I go to bed.

[Nystagmite]

If they can cure me, I can work. Funnily enough, any specialist I've seen about any condition I have, has stated "there's no cure or treatment". In fact, it was the first thing my GP and psychiatrist told me. I have been told by another consultant that there's trials going on at the moment; but that's it.

[Slatted]

If this goes ahead it would mean they are not even waiting until the result of WCA to start pressuring people, threatening sanctions etc and many are really not at all well and those destined for Support Group will end up in the worst position if forced to take action to prepare for work or lose benefits. It will undoubtedly cause more suffering and could result in more deaths, more easily recognised as directly linked/ caused by how the process is applied to those genuinely sick.

 

I assume this is to counteract the fact that the 13 week period is now proving a lot longer for many.....

 

Edited November 28, 2012 by Slatted
correcting typo

[estellyn]

I can imagine families getting this letter about loved ones critically ill in hospital.....

[count orlok]

This is just complete insanity. This government has gone mad. I think Cameron had been sent insane by the sad death of his disabled son, and it taking it out on all sick and disabled people. This evil regime has got to be stopped before they start bringing in sterilisation and euthanasia for the sick and disabled.

[estellyn]

I've been thinking about this, and if it was well targeted, appropriate support, then it would be a positive - for instance priority access to counselling or mental health professionals, rather than waiting for a year to see anyone. Access to physiotherapy programs or occupational therapists. Access to training or education for the warehouse worker now wheelchair bound after an accident.

 

But we all know it won't be that. It will be write a CV, or tell me what jobs you think you can do. Pathetic. I've seen how effective, early, targeted, appropriate treatment for mental health issues can be instrumental in recovery and returning to work. Current WP methods appear to ignore the 'recovery' part as if it is not essential to the process.

[count orlok]

How long will it be before they start on people in the support group?

 

Also there could be a whole new use for the labour wards in hospitals. I mean we can't have people skiving away there can we?

[worried33]

the SG will be ok but if they ever become unhappy with the 25% or so gettingm into the SG then they will do something to reduce the numbers in SG, politically they will leave SG untouched so they can say they helping the worst.

 

Also I dont think this is anything to do with camerons baby, this was planned for years ahead of time.

 

Also everytime I hear things like "work good for you" and "tough love" this could only apply to some depression cases I think, which seems to indicate the government thinks everyone on ESA/JSA is there because of mental reasons. Doing work isnt going to improve the vast majority of physical conditions.

[Nystagmite]

Work may help some; but for others, it's just going to make us ill.

[debt4get]

the SG will be ok but if they ever become unhappy with the 25% or so gettingm into the SG then they will do something to reduce the numbers in SG, politically they will leave SG untouched so they can say they helping the worst.

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i think that if they get in at the next election and you are lucky enough at the moment to be in the support group, then i would be seriously concerned...if you look at the speeches and rhetoric issuing forth from this almost nazi govt, then you can only but worry....everyone can work...even a paraplegic can work.....work is good for you...no-one in this country should be left for years having to live on benefits....i honestly believe after the experiment during this parliament of placing the wrag group into w2w it is only a matter of time before this is extended to the support group

[Slatted]

The thing with the plans outlined in the article is that the categorising of which, if any, group will not have even begun! Even someone in a coma could find themselves with a potential sanction for not participating if the information about their condition does not get to the right circles!

 

It is downright senseless.

 

And it is not as if the real underlying reason is to encourage those who can work to do so.. it is about money. Like Estellyn says, if they were truly helping and supporting and encouraging then that would be different.

[debt4get]

its always been about money...this lot dont care about people, the money is now distributed instead into big businesses such as ATOS and W2W companies, which are costing millions of pounds per year....but hey...look at the figures we have got 31,000 of the scroungers off benefits

[osdset]

This government have played a very cunning card by introducing draconian austerity measures in this economic climate, if they can get away with murder during a major depression, just think of what they will get away with if the economy ever picks up.

 

For a comprehensive list of the damage Cameron & Co have inflicted read this http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/elf-and-safety.html

[estellyn]

This government have played a very cunning card by introducing draconian austerity measures in this economic climate, if they can get away with murder during a major depression, just think of what they will get away with if the economy ever picks up.

 

For a comprehensive list of the damage Cameron & Co have inflicted read this http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/elf-and-safety.html

 

It's really terrifying, seeing it all written down in one list. And I just think to myself 'and this is only the beginning'.